Define Recruiting - Active vs Passing Interest

The fact that S. Carolina schools can waive the out-of-state tuition (i've been told NC schools do also) and give small amounts, like $500, to a kid from out of state it ends up like a 50% ride. I think this is a great way to do "bidness"! I wish Va. did the same seeing as how my son has been made a decent offer from a school there. Even if he would get 50% I would save 2-3 thousand bucks a year sending him to an in state state school with no baseball $$$!

 

In Division I, care needs to be taken in making the assumption that academic funds will be made available to baseball players who receive athletic scholarships without counting against the team's 11.7 scholarship limitation. Unless there's been a recent change in the standards, the NCAA stipulates that a high school player must achieve at least one of several performance standards AND that whatever academic money that is made available would be available to students generally. Because "Hope-type" scholarships are generally available, they seem to be the most common type of academic award allowed without counting them as athletic funds.

Here's a link to a page from the HSBaseballweb that outlines the standards:
http://hsbaseballweb.com/scholarship_blending.htm

Ironically, this provision affects the more demanding colleges more than the less demanding ones. The higher the average entering GPA or SAT score, the tougher the "generally available" standard becomes.

 

Academic $

Freshmen athletes can get academic money ONLY and not count against the 11.7 for the team IF they meet the individual school's requirements: decent SATs, strong grades, good interviews, and intelligent essays... like all the other kids. Then they must meet certain academic grade maintenance requirements which may be a challenge for the student-athlete. When U mix ath $ and academ $, the combination generally counts against the 11.7.

Now if you're player is super smart as outlined in a different thread, there are ways to combine and not count, but u gotta be basically off the charts with intellect.

Woody- good luck this year! may God bless u with health... I'm sure you will do the rest.

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some get academic some don't some get pell grants some don't some do work study some don't. most families pay the difference out of pocket. that is one thing to consider when looking out of state or private. if you don't graduate in 4 years can you afford the extra semester or whatever to graduate at out of state tuition or private tuition? i wnet out of state and had to go 1 extra quarter to graduate. it was tough on my family because there was no scholarship money for that quarter.

 

I want to make clear my point about Hope-type scholarships as it applies to the affecting schools. If one attends USC and receives a $5,000 scholarship, Tanner does not have to offer an athletic scholarship. This is why many of his in state recruits are not counted against the 11.7. It's also why he is able to bring in so many players year after year.

When one, like myself, reads about all the kids that are attending some major D1 schools, olefty brings up a good point. Although this young man may be a talented HS player, the fact that he is attending State U may mean that he got "books money" and was offered a guaranteed tryout. The purpose of me sharing this is to dispel some people thoughts that, in their mind, their son is more talented and he should be going to State U, too. Well, maybe he should, but will you accept book money and a guaranteed tryout spot?

 

the Div 2 standards may and are probably different from D1. For me it is only necessary to understand "counters" for the D2 level.

If a kid is an 1170 SAT score out of high school or a 3.5 HS GPA than he is not a counter. That means the only thing that counts against 9.0 scholarship limits is the actual athletic money. Also, while in college if he has a 3.3 GPA he is not a counter.

So let's say a kid is given 3K baseball and has an 1110 SAT and a 3.44 HS GPA, any academic money given to him will count against the program's 9.0 limit unless he reaches at least a 3.3 by years end. At the end of the year, if his college GPA is 3.25 then all the academic money is looked at as the same as baseball. so his 8k academic money becomes 11k against scholarship "counters" If he meets the criteria then only his 3k will count against the limit.

If he has a 2.9 GPA and a 1270 SAT his 7k can not count against the program becomes he is over the requirement of 1170.



Parents understand, this in no way affects a player or how much scholarship money he can get. there's no secret loop hole or something college coaches aren't telling you about. This is an NCAA rule to make sure that every school no matter how much "funny Money" ,as I call it, they reward, they can't have a edge over another program.

ie, if school A decides to reward 20K worth of academic money to a student who is a 3.1 gpa and 950 SAT, and after a year his College GPA is 2.2 that is the samw as giving him 20K baseball money and will count against the program's limit of 9. as far as I know the only difference in D1 is the limit is a bit higher than 9, more like 13.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR SON OR HIS SCHOLARSHIP HOPES!

 

DI and DII standards differ appreciably.

The DI qualifying criteria referred to in my post above are determined once and only once, prior to a player's admission to college. Once enrolled in college, he can't qualify subsequently for academic money not to be counted against the team's 11.7 scholarship limit if he didn't meet the standard coming out of high school.

However, if he qualified prior to admission for "blended" academic monies, he has to maintain a certain college GPA (I believe, but am not certain, that it's a 3.30.) in order to retain the academic money without it being counted against the 11.7 limit.

The "bottom line" for Division I: Do NOT presume or anticipate that academic scholarship funds will be available if a baseball player receives an athletic grant-in-aid. Additionally, if a coach/recruiter asserts that "blended" academic aid will be made available, get it confirmed by the admissions and/or student aid department(s) before making your decision .

 

sounds like

sounds like when your kid shows serious interest in playing college ball, you'd better consult an accountant.

do the college coaches have a staff person to keep up with all this?

 

Agree EOR...and if playing baseball consult your "savings account" since there are very, very few "full rides" in baseball.

 

Amazing!

This is an amazing assembly of talent and knowledge. I am most appreciative for all the time and input people offer.