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Discussion in 'Softball Forum' started by bothsportsdad, Jul 3, 2007.

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Jul 4, 2007 at 2:22 PM #11

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now you're talking

this is the kind of information that is desperately needs by parents and players alike. thanks to the two college coaches who have provided this information and to braves for his constant source of links and info. I have asked Coach Dobbins - Peace college to do an interview with us about three or four subjects pertaining to recruiting, D1 vsD2 vs D3, things you need to know from the horses mouth as your DD's get close to the college experience.
Jul 4, 2007 at 10:01 PM #12

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being a KY hoops fan new coach Billie Gillespie is getting recruits who are verbally committing from the class of 2010 already! It was my understanding that in FP the coach couldnt even talk to the girls until they were Juniors. Perhaps someone could enlighten as to what is permissable in terms of contact and when and if there are any differences between men's basketball and FP in terms of the rules of the recruitment process. Thanks!
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Some great post with wonderful information, wish all the parents and players read TBR'S
Jul 5, 2007 at 9:21 AM #13

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Great Post !

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Prkland has it pretty well covered...

I am a college coach and we have to take a test on these rules every year, but there are a lot of ways around them if you want to go that route. Here are the basics and how someone who is a 2010 can verbal...

1. A kid does not become a prospective student-athlete until they start 9th grade. Before 9th grade, they and their parents are fair game and anyone can talk to them. You see this mostly in basketball with all these kids playing major AAU tournaments from the time they are in 2nd grade. And yes, coaches do know who the good 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th graders are!

2. Once a kid starts 9th grade, they become what the NCAA calls a "recruitable student-athlete." This means they now fall under the rules covering recruiting found in the NCAA manual. These rules are as follows:

Letters or other recruiting information may not be sent to the potential student-athlete until September 1st of the student-athlete's junior year unless it is information from the admissions office that they send to any student requesting it.

Contact - Contact is defined as either an in-person, off-campus meeting or a phone call. Div I coaches may not initiate contact with a potential recruit before July 1 of the summer before their senior year. Div II coaches may not initiate contact with a potential recruit before June 15 of the summer before their senior year. Coaches are allowed 1 phone call per calendar week to either the recruit, their parents or their legal guardian. If a parent answers and tells the coach that the player is not home, that generally is not considered a phone call. If they start asking questions or the coach starts talking beyond a simple hello, then it must be counted. Coaches are allowed 3 in-person, off-campus contacts per recruit. Multiple contacts in the same day count as the 1 contact (i.e. - talking to mom at a tournament and then when the tournament is finished later that day, talking to the recruit - 1 contact).

SO.....how do 2010's and beyond start verballing? Its easy. In basketball, mainly, coaches do know who the good young kids are and they do go to those tournaments and watch. They start talking to the coaches and the AAU coaches in turn talk to the parents. So here are the ways a kid or parent can talk to a coach early.

1. Any call initiated by a parent or recruitable student-athlete is fine for the coach to talk about anything, including a scholarship offer. This is usually done through an AAU coach...the college coach tells him he's interested in player X and tells the AAU coach to have them call him. AAU coach tells player X and his parents that UNIVERSITY OF BIG TIME is interested in their kid and he would like to talk to you. Mom and Dad start seeing $$$$....get all excited...little Billy doesn't really know what's going on but gets excited cuz he saw BIG TIME on tv...they call the coach, he gives the kid his recruiting pitch at age 14....says call me back next week...they do, the recruiting continues....coach says why don't you come out and see the campus, we're having some recruits out for the football game against RIVAL STATE UNIVERSITY...you'll have to pay for it yourself but we can give you complimentary tickets to the game....now mom and dad are really pumped...little Billy's thinkin about all the hot college girls that are gonna be there....they pony up the $ for the airfare and hotel, get on campus, watch the game, see all the sights, then sit down with the coach (oh yeah, did I mention that if a kid and/or their parents are on campus on their own dollar, its ok for the coach to talk with them as long as its not a dead period), the coach tells them how much he wants little Billy in 5 years and he offers them a scholarship (another side note, in these sports like BB and FB where kids are committing early, the only scholarships they offer are full...its different than some of the smaller sports where we can give partials...so when a BB coach says I want to offer you a scholarship, it only means one thing...they don't have to give them a written numbers breakdown like some of us do). Little Billy is still excited seeing all the hot college women...mom and dad are thinkin NBA...and they commit.

So, let's review....
1. Any phone call initiated by a parent or player to the coach is fine...the coach can talk about anything with them as long as its on the player's dime
2. Contact on campus is fine as long as it is not during a dead period for the sport. These contacts include camps and any unofficial visits by the prospective student-athlete or their parents. A prospective student-athlete may take as many unofficial visits as they want, so a lot of coaches will ask them to come up sometime to see campus and sit down and talk.

I know this is long winded but it is possible to do and is done all the time. It is happening more and more in softball and will have a major impact on the recruiting process in the years to come. Any questions are welcome.
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Cometfan?

... so much good info posted by college coaches in this thread.. could we make this one a "sticky"? Many thanks!
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bothsportsdad said: ↑

... so much good info posted by college coaches in this thread.. could we make this one a "sticky"? Many thanks!
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Agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Great info; to sum up

as long as the player initiates the contact (calls the coach, visits campus, attends camp) the coach can offer the scholarship. We were shocked to recieve the first offer for my DD at the end of an unofficial visit during March of her Junior year. The coach told her just to "enjoy her recruiting summer of travel ball and not worry about things". She sort of ignored this advice, though as she was not sure she wanted to take that particular offer. In the end she chose another school and that coach left to Big 10 school.

I hope Charlie D will do the interview. Not only is it his job to understand all this but he has a great perspective on the pros and cons of programs at various levels (DI-DIII).
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Charlie has committed to doing the interview, only problem i see is the five page list of things he wants to talk about, lol, just kiddin, his interview should be great and informative.
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Many people go into the "Intervewing process" with a college coach unprepared of what questions to ask. I hope this will help you:

What kind of academic support does the college provide? (tutors, etc)
What is the team grade point average?
What is the team graduation rate?
What are some of the majors of team players?
Is my scholarship guaranteed for four years?
What are your red-shirt procedures? Will I be red-shirted in my freshman year?
Does the scholarship cover summer school?
Will the scholarship cover a fifth year if necessary?
At my position, what does the depth chart look like?
Where do I stand on the recruiting list?
What are my scholarship opportunities?
How many assistant coaches are there?

Questions for Team Members

Does the coach teach at the school?
What is the morale of the team?
Does the team like the staff?
Is the coach interested in academics?
Do the athletes really have to go to all classes?
How long is practice?
Would you go to this school if you had to choose again?
What is the average class size?
What are the dorms like?
Are the professors accessible?
Do the athletic dept. tutors do a good job?

Questions for Admissions

What is the average class size and ratio per professor?
Who teaches classes? (Professors, teacher assistants)
What is enrollment of college?
How is my major regarded?
What percent of graduates from my major receive jobs within three months of graduation?
How many fraternities and sororities are available?
What are the housing policies?
May I sit in on a class in my major? (as a guest)
How accessible are counselors to me?
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Braves, these are excellent and on the mark questions. it about answers any and all questions or complaints that i have heard over the last several years. this will go hand and hand with the interview that i am finishing up with coach dobbins and with the questions that i'm about to put before coach johnson.

thanks from all of us.
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Braves Excellent post thanks for your imput

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