Bonds

saying that barry bonds is the best to ever play the game is a big stretch. How about ted williams, mickey mantle, joe dimagio, pete rose, etc.....saying that bonds is "better" than these is questionable. Bonds is not a complete player. He hits 350 one month, then 110 the next. His fielding has been average at best, especially since he has gotten older, whereas joe d. was considered a complete player until the day he retired. Bonds is not the best, and never will be in the minds of 90% of americans.

 

Is Barry playing High School baseball?

 

Yes, we are in a new era. Rose just bet on some games. The league bans him, I can't remember how many chances Strawberry got, now Bonds. Rules are rules as long as that are followed and enforced. If not that are just words. Guess it is who you know. I guess the arguement for the * has been answered. Put the all the new records under Steriod era. That would make everyone happy.

 

I grew up watching Aaron, Mantle and Mays. As much as I admire them, Barry Bonds, offensively, was just as dominating. And many would argue he may be even more dominating. Bonds was the player of the decade in the 90's and has 8 golden gloves to his record. Bonds has 7 MVP trophies and durng one stretch should have won it 5 years in a row (beaten out by Terry Pendleton one year).

The fear he strikes towards opposing pitchers/managers has resulted in MLB record for most intentional walks; some of those with the bases loaded. He would go weeks not being challenged by a pitcher, but when they did make a mistake he would never miss. He is the most disciplined batter that I have ever seen.

Now, after saying all of that, I can't stand him. I believe he disrespects the game and is exactly what you don't want in your clubhouse. He is spoiled, self centered and will never be considered a role model. But I can't deny his accomplishments on the field. He is arguably the best hitter I have ever seen.

 

no...but the HS season is over, so we might as well discuss baseball. Besides, Collin rarely comes in here, so nobody has to fear being attacked for their opinion.

 

Just curious...are you saying that what Pete Rose did to baseball is equal to what Steve Howe, Doc Gooden, Strawberry, etc, etc, did to themselves? I don't see how those situations can relate. What Pete Rose did to baseball could have destroyed the integrity of the game. What those fools did was to destroy their personal integrity.

 

Its funny you say this b/c he is the only player EVER! to be in the 500, 500 club... Yeah not complete... He has never had a fielding precentage under .970(look it up I promise you). Career batting average is right at .300 and his OBP is .444 and like braves said he has completely changed the minds of managers and pitchers when he steps in the box. He has only struck out 100 times once that being his rookie season. Ruth, Aaron, Dimagio, Mantle, Rose, did not face the best Black or Latino pitchers in the game. Barry has 7 MVP awards(most by any Major League Player) and 9 gold gloves so not a complete player is a bit off. Maybe not since 2002 ... But if you look at stats you can not argue... no inactive or active player can match them.

 

Having hand-eye cordination is great, from the looks of it all major league hitters have it because they are in the majors. But steroids makes you able to hit the ball over 500 feet.

A-Rod and Clemens can do what they can because they work at it the right way without controversy. They haven't been brought into the Steroid convo but Bonds has and the new HBO interview is pretty interesting.

Barry Bonds defiantly doesn't have the best hand eye coordination. If he hits over .400 in one season then we will talk.


I do agree what he has done is extremely amazing and I wish this wasn't the case but it is what it is. But like I have stated earlier, go A-Rod or Griffey.

 

BTW, No major league player is skinny. Some people stay in the weight room and some people just put needles in their butt or rub some weird cream all over themselves.

 

What was meant was that MLB lack of enforcing the rules to a standard that the punishment fit the crime. You say that Pete could have destroyed the game. The punishment he got did destroy him. I am trying to say that MLB has a record of being slack in enforcement and slow in acting. Yes they did make the rules harsher but this was after the federal goverment pushed them to. I would just like them to set out the rules without beating around the bush. We are now testing younger and younger players who look up to these guys. They look at them and think well if I get caught they will over look it or the punishment will be not that bad. I think it is a reflexation as what the game has become and where it MAY go. It is not just baseball there are other sports that are worse in enforcement. What Pete did was wrong, the punishment was that punishment. Some say to harsh. But,that was the price tag at that time. I see Steriods, drugs or players actions attacking the integrity of the game just as you say Pete could have done with betting. Punishment fit the crime? My opinion no.