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Discussion in 'Softball Forum' started by Dawgfan, Jul 26, 2007.

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  1. Jul 27, 2007 at 2:04 PM #11
    Softball Freak

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    once pitcher touches ball she is considered a fielder.
     
  2. Jul 27, 2007 at 2:09 PM #12
    cheeze105

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    had a similar incident happen in hs ball, runner on first, ball hit at pitcher, off her glove and hit runner going to second, originally called out, but after thought, put on second and batter on first. can see where this would be confusing, but in all honesty, if its off the pitcher, its in play, as i see it, but sometimes the rules just dont come out fair to everyone. jmho
     
  3. Jul 27, 2007 at 4:55 PM #13
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    A Runner is NOT out when

    In Rule 8 Base Running in Section 9 (Baserunner is NOT out:)
    letter n. When a fair-batted ball hits the the baserunner, after it touched or touches any fielder, including the pitcher.
     
  4. Jul 27, 2007 at 8:15 PM #14
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    Please refer to NSA rules on line at playnsa.com. Page 133 sec9 letter n it makes no difference if anyone had a play or not. ball was not dead. unfortunately for us the UIC and Coleman did not even consult ter book. But thats that way it goes .
     
  5. Jul 28, 2007 at 2:02 AM #15
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    I Stand Corrected

    It appears I did not read far enough. It appears the wrong call was made.
     
  6. Jul 28, 2007 at 8:59 AM #16
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    I too stand corrected !!

    Ray

    I also stand corrected. The umpire on the field said the reason they made the call was that the shortstop did have a play on the ball. Thanks for finding the rule !
     
  7. Jul 28, 2007 at 11:10 AM #17
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    Batted Ball...

    While anything that contacts the bat is a batted ball, you have to follow the sequence, once it leaves the bat, then it will become something else, foul, deflected, fielded, thrown, etc. Once the ball touched the pitcher's glove it was not a batted ball any longer, it was a deflected ball. Yes the ball was live as long as it stayed in play, but for the sake of the ruling, it was not a batted ball any longer.

    As an example: If the same ball had hit off he pitcher's glove and rolled into foul territory before it reached 3rd base, would you folks that were calling the baserunner above out have called this a fair or foul ball. I am almost positive 100 % of you would have said it is a fair ball. Now follow your line of thinking to support your stand that it should have been a fair ball and I think you will see the line of thinking that should have been used in making the correct call even if the umpire could not quote the rule word for word or even know what page it was on.
     
  8. Jul 28, 2007 at 1:09 PM #18
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    Please review NSA Rulebook.

    Rule 8 BASERUNNING, Section 8 line L. on page 130.
     
  9. Jul 28, 2007 at 1:50 PM #19
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    Continue on...


    However in the case given above the ball is no longer a batted ball, it is a deflected ball.

    The rule you have quoted is assuming the ball has not been touched by a fielder.

    To support this keep reading on. Section 9 on page 132 covers when a baserunner is not out, it continues on page 133, and as you can see in sub-section "n" it clarifies this situation: "A baserunner is not out when the said baserunner is hit by a fair-batted ball after it touches any fielder, including the pitcher."
     
  10. Jul 28, 2007 at 2:55 PM #20
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    It always pays to read and understand ALL of the rules... there are nuances such as this in all of the rule books and you cant fixate on simply one aspect...
     
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