You Make The Call !!!

YEP !!!

Good One---We have one of those moms in high school ball...hit hard through the oppossing DD's legs base hit..her DD had the highest batting average on the team by her books !!!

GURU

 

hahahaha...it's almost a time honored tradition that spreads to baseball as well. But you know what? I'm kinda glad they do it. Batting averages in HS are only for the player and their parents. It's not really considered by the HS coach and certainly not by any college coach in their decisions.

But, 10-15 years from now, your DD will be able to tell her husband and kids, "Yeah, ol' Mom was pretty good. I hit .500 in high school"...and whether it was actually the right BA or not doesn't matter. It gives her bragging rights in her family....and that's what matters!

 

Catch and an Out...

You didn't say what rule set (ASA, NSA, ISA, USSSA, NFHS), but if ASA:

CATCH/NO CATCH:
A. A catch is a legally caught ball, which occurs when the fielder catches a batted,
pitched or thrown ball with the hand(s) or glove/mitt.
1. To establish a valid catch, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to
prove control of it and/or that the release of the ball is voluntary.​

[NSA and WFC have basically the same definition. I don't have copies of the other rules handy].​

Note the "/or." If F6 had control of the ball at any point during those two steps (i.e. not bobbling the ball or trying to secure it), then it's a catch and an out.​

 

Definitely Agree !!

She had control of the ball for at least 5-7 seconds before it came out of her glove...for sure !!!

Guru

 

So... what was the actual call on the field?

 

I also think Guru was exagerating with the 5 to 7 seconds... Any SS who can only find time to take two steps in 5-7 seconds needs to be somewhere else.

Of course, the tripping thing doesn't look to impressive either.

 

Rule interpretation....

.....as you, respectfully, "see" this play in your minds eye, is to be interpreted how? No BS here mr. blue, I'm asking a legitimate ? that we at TBR would like for you, as one who is well versed in this stuff, or, maybe someone else in our community that would like to respond with more than just an opinion. Obviously, fmrump wasn't there, nor was I, so I'll listen to what he says and definetly value his opinion. Now, moving on to the situation. 1. SS, makes a great stab, ball is in her glove, her momentum carries her to the ground, ball pops out. ****Based on this scenario, does it really matter how many steps she took along the way? If she pick off a line shot off of her set up position at short, without moving a step, and then the ball popped out, she probably could have recuped, abd thrown the kid out at first, right? So, it makes sense to me that if SS went into a hole and her 2-3 steps resulted in her hitting the ground, and the ball pops out of her glove, and its ruled a basehit, seems appropriate to me. Great job by the SS. Am I missing something otherwise? JMO, Thanks, great post!

 

Yes, the rule. The rule says the defensive player must held the ball long enough to demonstrate control and/or voluntarily release it.

I agree that what is described as seeming like 5-7 seconds now may have well been less than that. But two, even stumbling, steps would take enough time for me to be convinced we have a catch. I wasn't there, I didn't see it, but, assuming situation as described, it was a catch.

The voluntarily release phrase is, I think, more for the lightning transfer to the throwing hand than a "ball must leave the glove voluntarily or it isn't a catch" argument. That's why the "or" is there.

 

Its quite possible that the ump, from his angle, saw more of what happened than those outside the fence.

Scenario 1: Ball definately enters the glove, player takes two steps during which control is established, falls and the ball is jarred out. Correct call is a catch.

Scenario 2: From a distance, the ball appears to have entered the glove and controlled. However, during the two steps, blue (much closer to the play) observes that the ball was never totally in the glove and under control. Player hits the ground with control never being established even though two steps were taken in the process. Correct call is no catch.

Even though the rules define "catch", this is a judgment call.