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What exactly is a hit?

Discussion in 'Softball Forum' started by BringIt2WinIt, Mar 4, 2008.

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Mar 5, 2008 at 12:25 AM #11

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TriadPower16u said: ↑

I am admittedly baffled. I do the books for our TB team as I have always been considered a better than average statistician for this sport. So am I crazy or am I right but being made crazy?

Short little blurb appeared in the paper about a recent high school game I had attended. Non-conference game, little impact as far as conference standings go and admittedly a rather dull game. And, I admit it, I am a stat addict, so even when I go to a game I have my book out (yes sad).

After reading this little blurb I could not help but wonder - did the reporter of this game go to the same game I did? Or have I been doing stats wrong all along?

For instance, one player was reported as having three hits in the game. Here is what I show for that particular batter and their 5 at bats.

AB1: Hit to SS, cleanly fielded and thrown to 1st reaching base long before runner. HOWEVER, 1B did not have her foot on the base, and turned 3B trying to get lead runner. Player at 1B called safe by ump. My call RE3. Reported as: hit.

AB2: Pop up to 3B, fielded cleanly. Player called out. My call: FO5. Reported as: out.

AB3: Clean hit through 5/6 hole, fielded by 9. Player reaches 1B safely. My call: G9, Single. Reported as: hit.

AB4: Player hits a line drive past 1B, straight into glove of 7. My call: LO7. Reported as: out.

AB5: Player hits grounder to SS. Fielded cleanly by SS, SS turns 2 to get lead runner, 2 turns 1 in attempt to get out batter. Batter reaches base safely. My call: FC6. Reported as: hit.

So, when is a hit a hit? When is a hit not a hit? And do I need to go back to stats school?

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Only one hit here, but transverse your 7 & 9?
Mar 5, 2008 at 7:19 AM #12

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1 hit

1 hit,
Mar 5, 2008 at 7:29 AM #13

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Try this, go to a game and take 5 scorebooks and give to 5 different people and see how they each score the game.

Some people think a hit is anytime they get on base especially if your kid is the one hitting.

Now if your kid is the pitcher, then anything close will probably be scored an error.
Mar 5, 2008 at 7:32 AM #14

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ab1 f/c ab2 out ab 3hit ab4 out ab 5 f'/c 600 ob% 200 ba%
Mar 5, 2008 at 7:41 AM #15

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Okay Great Post --- I Feel Your Pain !!!

TriadPower16u said: ↑

I am admittedly baffled. I do the books for our TB team as I have always been considered a better than average statistician for this sport. So am I crazy or am I right but being made crazy?

Short little blurb appeared in the paper about a recent high school game I had attended. Non-conference game, little impact as far as conference standings go and admittedly a rather dull game. And, I admit it, I am a stat addict, so even when I go to a game I have my book out (yes sad).

After reading this little blurb I could not help but wonder - did the reporter of this game go to the same game I did? Or have I been doing stats wrong all along?

For instance, one player was reported as having three hits in the game. Here is what I show for that particular batter and their 5 at bats.

AB1: Hit to SS, cleanly fielded and thrown to 1st reaching base long before runner. HOWEVER, 1B did not have her foot on the base, and turned 3B trying to get lead runner. Player at 1B called safe by ump. My call RE3. Reported as: hit.-----------incorrect ,the error depends on throw either E5 or E3 because foot off bag.

AB2: Pop up to 3B, fielded cleanly. Player called out. My call: FO5. Reported as:out --------- correct

AB3: Clean hit through 5/6 hole, fielded by 9. Player reaches 1B safely. My call: G9, Single. Reported as: hit.-----------correct

AB4: Player hits a line drive past 1B, straight into glove of 7. My call: LO7. Reported as: out.----------- correct

AB5: Player hits grounder to SS. Fielded cleanly by SS, SS turns 2 to get lead runner, 2 turns 1 in attempt to get out batter. Batter reaches base safely. My call: FC6. Reported as: hit.------incorrect should be FC

So, when is a hit a hit? When is a hit not a hit? And do I need to go back to stats school?

Opinions appreciated.
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If a ball is fielded cleanly by a fielder, and the runner beats out the throw lets say to first base considering the throw is accurate, and the first baseman is in position at first base it is a HIT (JUST ONE EXAMPLE)!! If the ball is hit up the middle hard and the pitchers glove touching it but can't field it, most likely it will be put in the books as a HIT!! ( Another Example). If the ball is hit up the middle and the SS dives and gets a glove on it and attempts to throw the kid out at first,but the runner beats the throw it will usually be scored as HIT!! I agree stats can be misleading,we had a parent last year that would score a hard hit between the third baseman's leg as a hit.......NOT !!! So I will have to agree if a college coach looks at a kid's stats my question to him or her would be "Are you Seeing What Is Real or Fabricated??" Then I would say come out and view this kid that you are interested in and see IF SHE IS THE REAL DEAL AS HER STATS SAY !!!

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Mar 5, 2008 at 9:51 AM #16

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ab1 f/c ab2 out ab 3hit ab4 out ab 5 f'/c 600 ob% 200 ba%
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Frenchie, are you on your meds today? I've heard you talking in tongue before but I didn't know it could be written!!!
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Guess that happens everywhere, in recent game I mentally kept track of K's our pitcher was racking up and when she was relieved I had come up with 7. To double check I walked over to her dad who was keeping book on the game and he confirmed 7. Of course when paper came out it had her listed for 6k's. No big deal just makes you wonder who is keeping up with things in the dugout. In same game, daughter went 3-4 (i think) and the paper reported it as 2-4, but one of the hits was a big question mark for me, not knowing how it should be recorded. So I went over once again during the game and got told by two knowledgable people that it was a hit. We had a runner on first, a linedrive easily moved the runner to second and the hitter reached first and rounded the base, seeing the runner on second had been given the "go" for third, the hitter continued on to second. The attempt to reach third was thrown out which ended the inning......hit or no hit?
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HIT!!
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HIT!!
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Once the runner successfully rounds first in a normal situation whatever happens after that doesn't define a hit or not..She is credited with a single and thrown out at 2nd!!

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softballjunkie said: ↑

Frenchie, are you on your meds today? I've heard you talking in tongue before but I didn't know it could be written!!!
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You too funny.You need to get back to the city more often,that country air doing something to you.Was your last nick kickballjunkie?
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ok

marlinfan1 said: ↑

...pitchers do contol the game, but hitters have caught up! Maybe you should come to a real game in TB and see the difference. ......ASA is not lowering the bat specifications because they are all pitchers dads! The game has changed, 5 yrs ago no one was interested with slapping from the left. Here we go!!!!....name me one DOMINATE pitcher who controls every team. ok, ok, without a doubt there are studs in NC, Leonard, etc. but, for the most part, hitters rock their ass! Just look in your area East. Can you name ONE pitcher who overwhelms batters? This is in no way to be offensive at all towards the AWESOME pitchers we have around here, but they don't dominate anymore pal! ......
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OK I see your point and I don't attend TB games. I just know in the later stages of the HS playoffs there are a lot of 2-1, 1-0 etc games sometimes going multiple innings to determine a winner, and K's in the teens or maybe 20's.

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