Here is a brain buster....

Batter hits ball in 5-6 hole....

SS fields ball on backhand, but no throw...
Batter safe at first with a single, runs through bag, turns and is walking back to bag in fair territory as the SS throws ball to pitcher in the circle...

SS and 2nd base collapse to front of the infield...

Batter breaks for 2nd.....

Is she out?

 

Did the runner stop moving? Some umps will say as long as she didn't stop, she could run unless it's called dead ball for some reason. I call it good baserunning if she was safe. Sounds like she caught the defense sleeping.

**Subject to who's calling your game, umps interpret differently**

 

Your on the right track... but has nothing to do with whether she stopped or not...

This is a clear rule... protestable if they miss it.

Let's get some more insight from the masses...
This could be fun to hear the answers...

 

IMO, If the pitcher has control of the ball in the circle (and is not making a play towards the runner) before the batter/runner has made an attempt towards second, she must return to first with out hesitation.

With the ball controlled in the circle, and then the B/R then makes an attempt towards second and the pitcher doesn't make a play, the runner is out. The runner being in fair or foul territory doesn't make a difference.

There are a couple of ways to make this work without getting called out when the ball is in the circle (fine line judgment call), just need to make sure the blue understands what you are doing.

 

We used to run this play all the time!!!!!!!!

At least in college, as long as the runner stays within the baseline, turns around towards first immediately, does not touch first base and keeps moving, she is still live until she either stops or touches the base, regardless of where the ball is!

Therefore, if the SS and 2nd don't cover 2nd, she can go and attempt to advance to 2nd. However, for scoring purposes, unless there is a play made I'm not sure if it really counts as a stolen base, although I don't know how else you could advance the runner in the scoring program we all have.

If I'm reading my rule book right, it is rule 12.21.6.5 on page 192.

 

I'll side with BMAC. Runner is out, based on "turns and walks toward first". Unfortunately, the first thing your pitcher is gonna do is have a foot race to 2 and blow the whole scenario out of the water.

 

Alabama Made this famous

Had a chance to talk with an all american from Alabama two summers ago and she told me how they use it about 10 or 15 times per season. Catch the SS and 2B not paying attention and without returning to 1B, go directly to second. Legal play.

We have used it with success 2 out of 3 times at the high school level. One time the umpires were totally confused, second time we had an ASA umpire who calls college ball and the third time the field umpire had turned his back and the home plate umpire was retrieving a foul ball from a fan...didn't see the play and made the runner go back. After a walk the play is live until the ump calls time.

 

BINGO....


My quess was that Steve or some of the ncaa umps would be the only ones that know this rule...

Key was staying in fair territory....
Batter / runner per rule is still moving towards 2nd base...


Once she
1. goes in foul territory
2. touches 1st base

She is frozen at that base until the next pitch

Isn't this FUN>>>>

Everyone learned something today..

 

It sounds as if the NCAA is more liberal on this than ASA. Most of this situation is covered under the "Look Back Rule" in the ASA rulebook. There is nothing there about fair or foul territory, just the direction the runner turns which commits her one way or the other.

 

It is the same rule...

Remember, the runner can " run through" first base without penalty..
She is not tied to first base until she touches it a 2nd time....

Her " walk back to the bag" does not tie her to first base until she touches it, as long as she stays in fair territory...

If she turns right into foul territory, then she must go to first base immediately.

I hope none of you are teaching your players to turn right into foul territory after they cross the first base bag.
Proper technique is to run through and break down straight on line.
Turn left, stay in fair territory and assess the situation. You can return to first without penalty
as long as you don't make an aggressive move towards 2nd.

Turning left does not predicate an attempt.