Conference Tie Breaker???

JavelinCatcher · Apr 23, 2008 at 10:00 PM

No coin flips...

I would hate to see one team miss the playoffs because of a coin flip. I can understand it for seeding of two teams that have already made the playoffs but if there is a tie and only one of those two teams will make the playoffs, they should play each other and the winner goes to the playoffs. JMHO.

marlinfan1 · Apr 23, 2008 at 10:14 PM

#6 is worthless!!!......

blueblood said: ↑

From the NCHSAA handbook....

(C) DETERMINING NCHSAA PLAYOFF REPRESENTATIVES: The following
rules are used to determine which teams earn available berths into the NCHSAA playoffs, awarded on the basis of regular season standings. These are used AFTER completion of the conference tournament, or BEFORE NCHSAA PLAYOFFS if there is no tournament.
(1) Award berths based on final regular season standings (see Section A). Note that if a tie is broken using head to head competition, the tie is broken from that point on and there is no need to use other criteria.
(2) If three or more teams are tied, the team which advanced the furthest in the conference tournament will get the higher berth in the playoffs.
(3) If two are still tied in the final standings, a special playoff game will be played unless the tied teams mutually agree to break the tie by other means. The playoff game may not violate the weekly limitations, and it could be preliminary game to the state playoffs or a game in the conference tournament. No playoff game shall be played prior to a conference tournament. A meeting between the tied teams which occurs in any round in the conference tournament would count as the playoff game.
(4) If both teams are eliminated from the conference tournament but can still play the playoff game and not violate the weekly limitations, it shall be played. Exception: If a team advances to the conference tournament fi nals, even if a playoff game would not violate the weekly limitations, the game will not be played, and the team that advances to the fi nals gets
the higher seed.
(5) If the tie is not broken after (4), all previous head-to-head competition is used to break the tie (cannot be used with multiple ties).
(6) If there is still a tie, it will be resolved by comparing how the tied team fared against the rest of the conference, starting with the number one team and moving down, if necessary, throughout the conference until the tie is broken. Example: A and B fi nished with equal conference records and split during the regular season, thereby tying for third place in the standings. A playoff game could not be played and they did not play each other in a non-conference game. Go to the number one position in the conference and compare how A and B did against that team. Say the tie cannot be resolved there (both teams split with the number-one team), so go to the number two team. Team A lost twice to the number two but B split with the number-two team. Therefore B would be seeded third and A fourth (even though they fi nished tied for third in the fi nal standings).

(7) If the tie still exists, a draw will be held by the tied teams for the seeds available. All tied teams for a position will draw with the numbers of the spots for which they are tied in a hat.

Example: A and B are tied for third and the tie is not resolved after going through the procedure through B3 above. The numbers three and four are put in a hat, and the schools will draw and assume the seed of the number drawn. The drawing will be done in alphabetical order as the schools are listed in the NCHSAA

Directory.

ie, they get to play each other again, either in conference tournament or a special playoff game. A draw for the spots is a last resort.

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.....judging a team by how they sized up with the top teams in a conference is plain stupid. Take for example, 2 teams that end the reg. season tied for the last berth in the playoffs. Team A is clearly better than team B, but they split their head to head matchups as the weaker team improved, got better, as maybe the other team struggled. Past performance is an indicator of nothing. Just look at the crap involved with the NCAA basketball 64 seeding. Teams that show that they are improving are rewarded, and teams that see a fall off in their season are not rewarded. And how about this, say the #1 team in a conference knows that a team has 1 or 2 threats in their offense, so they get a lead knowing that the weaker team can't come back. The coach sends in some of the younger players, takes his starters out. However, that same #1 team, recognizes that team B has enough punch in their offense, so #1 lays the lumber to make sure theres no slip up. Bottom line to me is win more games!!!.... but if a tie does come into play.....take the field and may the best team THAT day move on.

Ms. Diggety Dog · Apr 23, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Will there be a coin flip if North Davidson defeats West Forsyth next game and they split the confrence title, or is there a conf. tour?

cmmguy · Apr 23, 2008 at 11:12 PM

Ms. Diggety Dog said: ↑

Will there be a coin flip if North Davidson defeats West Forsyth next game and they split the confrence title, or is there a conf. tour?
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We have a conference torunament, but I dont believe that the tournament had any bearing on final standings.

As I was reading this thread, I was thinking that it was about West Forsyth and North Davidson. Currently WF has no losses in conference and ND has one. The last game between WF & ND was 1-0. Their next matchup is scheduled for next Tuesday at WF at 6:30... Should be a good game to watch.

I was thinking that if ND wins, then the 1st in conference would be determined by runs given up or something like that. But after reading the earlier post, I am not sure now.

Ms. Diggety Dog · Apr 23, 2008 at 11:26 PM

I think that would be kinda lame way to get a #1 seed for the playoffs which is really important, if there is a conf toun then it will be whoever wins that assuming ND wins next week.

CoachLefty · Apr 24, 2008 at 12:04 AM

Last year

Last year we were tied for the 4th seed in the standings to go to the playoffs. We had split with the other team we were tied with. So we went to #3 in the rule book that "Blueblood" posted and played a special playoff game, given both teams had not played 3 games in the final week. We do not have a conference tournament. The winner of our game got the #4 seed out of the conference. Even though we lost that game, we were able to pull out a WC birth. Maybe that helps somebody. It can really confuse you, those rules.

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