Stats Question

I believe that since the ball was not mishandled, it would go down as a fielder's choice, and neither a hit, nor an error.

 

After a little bit of research I have the answer on my own question - which was my initial instinct.

A fielder's choice occurs when upon fielding a batted ball, the fielder has a clear opportunity to throw out the batter-runner, but chooses to try to put out another baserunner.

Given DD was standing on 1B when baserunner failed to run, in the even baserunner had been tagged out on 2, correct stat is:

1B, RBI

 

E3......pitchers are immune to fielding errors, right?

 

An error? On who?

 

SOOOO, Base Hit!!!!.....

....goes in the books for the batter, and an error is recorded to whoever should have made the play. REMEMBER stats are for offense and defense!!!!!! Should the kid batting get credited for an obvious out? YEP! Just like she will get an AB, and no hit, when she hits a haymaker in the gap that gets caught. I know thats getting off the path here, but, my point has been stated....there exists offense and defense stats, and when trying to say a bunt, that is fielded and the defense chooses not to throw to 1st, is an FC is right, given the defense stat side, but its a hit on the offense side. Good example, pop up to the 1b foul, he/she drops it, easy out, next pitch, BAM HR!, is it an error or a base hit??? The answer is both. The batter gets credit for a hit and the fielder gets a mark against her fld %.

 

One rule that I remember when keeping score: Mental errors are never recorded as as error.

No attempt to pick up or throw the ball: no recorded error, hit. The batter effectively placed the ball into a (mental) hole in the defense and should be rewarded for same.

It would be nice to see the effects of brain farts on fielding percentage, though.

 

I'm sorry, I'm not following this logic at all. Sure, one team's scorekeeper may record it one way, and the other team's score it the reverse, but an official scorekeeper will decide either E or H and record the play accordingly.

 

Hey Jeff.....nice name, to clarify.....

....this hit, error, mental.....A person, keeping a scorebook for the home team is the official scorekeeper. Their resposibilty #1 is to keep up with runs scored. Thats obvious. The subject stuff such as H, E, PB, wild pitch, is secondary. With simple 101 scorekeeping out of our way, heres what I was trying to get across. 1. As much as their is interest in batting averages, there is to a lesser degree, interst in fielding %. Therefor, in my example of the 1B charlie browning a routine foul ball, she gets an error. If the batter then whacks one out of the park on the next pitch she is credited with an HR. I hope this helps clarity, but, now, I'll give ya'll this one by my DD. Runner on 2b, DD playing SS, ball is hit to her and she fakes a throw to 1st and tags the 2b runner out. FC right? So in the same type play , DD/SS fakes a throw, and the 2b runner doesn't bite, i.e. stays at 2nd, and then SS has no chance at an out on the batter going to 1st, is that an error on the SS? I would say yes. Is the batter credited with a hit? .....I love this game.....Jeff the fishman, muddying the waters.

 

In most contests, yes. In some, really important championship series, you hire an official, supposedly impartial, scorekeeper not technically affiliated with either team. This is what I was talking about when I said an official scorekeeper would make only one ruling on a play.

Absolutely.

Not many people that I know of will record an error on the muffed foul-fly. I probably would, especially if the 1B isn't my DD . I do agree in principle.

Yes, FC.

No, definitely not a hit. I'd say not an error. Still FC:

The ASA rule book lists these reasons for scoring an error (I kind of paraphrased them):​

a. commits a misplay
b. fails to tag a base
c. catcher obstruction (wish I'd have remembered Saturday)
d. fails to complete a double play due to a dropped ball.
e. if a runner advances a base because of missing a thrown ball
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To me, you have to being trying to do something routine--and mess it up--to get an error. A smart base runner not biting on a trick play is not a misplay. Muffing a grounder or missing an easy fly ball is a misplay. Holding a throw might not always be the best move, but I have a hard time calling it an error. Throwing to 3B when no one's going there would be, AFAIC, an FC.

 

I agree with you on one thing....

....that some scoring issues don't make sense. Now, given the charlie browned missed foul ball,......you'll lose this bet my friend if you place a wager that its not an error! To me its just a dropped ball and a no call scoringwise, but its ruled an error on the 1b. Look back on some of our TBR you make the calls threads and you'll see that we've already gone through scenario. And if my DD was the 1b she'd be happt that al she got was an error in the books from me! As for not many people you know would score such a misplay as this an error, you could have added me to that list a year ago, and I'd be right there with you. I'm wrong...alot, but I"m not wrong on this one. Why? Because I debated your side of this issue less than a year ago, and....yep, was wrong again.