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Discussion in 'Softball Forum' started by ChiliDAWG, Jun 9, 2008.

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  1. Homer3

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    Unless a team/player conditions this way 4-5 times a week, running after games or tournaments doesn't do a bit of good. Only causes sore muscles and in this case, get someone hurt or worse.

    I'm sure this coach means well and it's good to see a player stand up for him. However, if you really look at what is being accomplished with this kind of running, this coach is out of touch with what is correct and what also motivates young women when it comes to athletics.
    I think this is just a case of a coaches ego getting in the way of common sense and him wanting to show everyone he is the one in charge.

    Question- if it there was lightning in the area, would he have still run them? I hope not. But running 100+ temps is even more dangerous, IMO.

    I hope this coach has good liability insurance and plenty of it. Because if something would have happened to one of those girls due to his poor judgment, the lawsuits would have been coming. Not to mention how bad we all would be feeling today.
     
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    AMEN HOMER3........................:2guns:
     
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    DD had to deal with the running in high school ball this past year. But what I could never figure out was why run them almost the entire next practice for making mistakes or looking at the third strike. Why not have them on the field working on the fielding and hitting instead of running, running was not going to prepare them for the next game. Gosh am I glad HS ball is over with.
     
  4. cheeze105

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    in hs ball, we had rules, one lap for each error plus one for each called third strike....at first, we ran them after the games, but i suggested that we put them off to the next practice and the coach understood my point...losing is one thing, adding injury to that by running immediately is at times degrading and underminding. i found that an overnight break to think about the game often helped the girls get better, even if they knew they had several laps to run the next day.
     
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    enough

    Ok, I believe this situation has been blown way out of proportion. No one bothered to "intervene" on the players behalf as they felt they needed to, so no one but the players and the coach know what went on on that field that day.

    Those of you yelling and screaming must not have ever marched or had a child involved in marching band. These children participate in band camp in the middle of July from sun up to sun down for one week. They march and practice all day. Yes they take breaks (for those who feel the need to ask), but they don't hide inside because of the heat (and believe me July is HOT)! My daughter actually passed out during one day of camp one year. Know when I found out about it? When I picked her up that evening. Was I upset, Yes. But I also knew that the people who I had trusted to take care of my daughter had done just that. I am using band as an example because I have personally participated in it and had a child involved in it. I have heard from parents about football practices, soccer practices, etc. Point is if we can't trust our coaches, band directors, etc. to take care of our children, than we don't need to let them be there.

    The fact that many of these girls have been on this team for awhile should say that the parents trust this coach to take care of his girls and to have their best interest at heart. Its' obvious his players do. Many of these girls have reached "adulthood" and will soon be testing their wings in the near future, I am sure if they were not comfortable with what was happening they would have spoke up. These are not 12 year olds, they can and have taken care of themselves.

    Everyone can speculate about what should have and should not have happened. Everyone can speculate about what went on on the field that day. But since no one had the courage to walk up to this "monster" of a coach (as you are making him out to be), I think it's time to let it go. The only thing this thread is accomplishing is upsetting a very talented bunch of girls who have been hurt by what you folks have wrote about their coach.

    My advice for what it's worth is: next time you think you see a coach putting his team in danger, be an adult and step up for the players. If you can't do that, let it go. If it wasn't your place to stand up for the players, it's not your place to slander someone you don't know.
     
  6. maddog

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    Several laps I can deal with but running for an hour or longer I can't understand. One day it was so bad the trainer told the coach to stop. But understand practice never lasted two hours, maybe one or two times it did, and we wonder why they were not prepared for the big games.
     
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    HMMMMM.....

    .....1st, I'm not taking any side one ay or another BASED on whoever the team/teams, coach/coaches might be. For that matter, I'm not real sure who they are. 2nd, TB teams can do whatever they want and if the parents don't like how one team does things they can move on to another. UHHHHHH, Imagine that!!! We call it the silly season.
    3rd, 14u NC DOM. we would run.....wait, the kids would run down and backs BEFORE the game no matter how hot it was. It must have worked because I think that group won 70 some games and lost maybe 8-10.
    ......AND if you want to see what conditioning programs in college are like, just ask. It will blow you away.
    ******All things must have a reason for development of the kid, and the parents and kids need to know that going into any TB program******,
    you folks know, some run some don't: some travel to Col, some don't. JMO without pointing a finger!
     
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    One time in band camp........lol

    I was there saw it all,never was what i saw over the edge.( hot yes) Seen my dd do more than that at bb and vb practice in a 100 degree gym.And she gets out of shape playing softball.Not saying it was right or wrong.Each to is own.Maybe our team should have been out there too.
     
  9. cheeze105

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    though i can agree with the concept that maybe someone should of stepped up and said something, i cant help but question why the parents didnt step up and put a halt to it...my understanding is that more than two were upset about this, but that may or may not be the case.

    i honestly dont believe that anyone had the intention of slandering anyone else, i would rather believe that someone was trying to tell the parents of this team that this event was very, very dangerous and could of led to sun/heat stroke, heart attacks, etc, etc as we have seen more than our share in this area with youth sports in the last couple of years. say it doesnt happen??? six years ago at the nsa world in salem, va. girl didnt die, but really close.

    the point that i see trying to be made is pretty simple, in 100+ days with the humidity like it was, you just dont take chances.

    do you agree??
     
  10. marlinfan1

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    Rules....

    ....that you had in place in the beginning that everyone had to agree with or else.....play drums. If you get caught looking, OK, but running beats the hell out of sitting on the bench and not getting a chance to redeem yourself. I'm not to thrilled with the physical error gig, but a mental error deserves more than 1 lap. Trying your best by swinging at a 3rd strike, and booting a ball that you charge to make a play is just part of the game, JMO, don't spend time running, spend time fielding or hitting in the cage, ....but, called strikes, and mental errors, those require "thinking" adjustments........and beleive me, you can do alot of thinking when you're running. Lastly, RAISE the bar! Call running punishment if you want, call telling your kid to get off the phone and study, or off the computer, even though she says she's studying (AIM), might seem like punishment to them, but its for their own good.! Trust your coaches or move on!
     
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