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Major Colleges Missing Softball Programs?

Discussion in 'Softball Forum' started by Double Dog Dare, Dec 9, 2008.

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Dec 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM #71

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something tells me this topic is about to get interesting
Dec 16, 2008 at 12:12 PM #72

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Well....

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This would not add extra scholarships above the NCAA allotment. It would help fund those allowed. Not all schools fully fund the allowable number of scholarships in the first place, especially the smaller schools both public and private. This is within the NCAA rules.

The UNC system has no problem accepting money... however it is distributed. When the "powers that be" were raising funds to construct the "Dean Dome" there were a bunch of checks, some over a million bucks, that were written for that specific purpose. Nowhere was it mandated that these people had to distribute their money to State, ECU, Fayetteville State, etc.. Specific gifts can be made for specific purposes. In the long run it may just help in bringing softball to the campuses that don't have it now.

The scandals with the AAU basketball, if my recollection is correct, had more to do with coaches and "agents" blackmailing the colleges, and boosters, for money verses what I'm talking about happening. The money flow is in the opposite direction in this case. The reality of this whole thing is that for every girl who's family donates, there is a small percentage that will actually play softball at the college level. But, if more people feel they have a vested interest in the college softball programs across our state, then the better off those programs will be AND there will be more opportunities for our girls at those schools.

You are right about coaches recruiting where they want to. But as a fan of the game, I can contribute where I want to. If a coach can't find one player in the state of NC that is deserving of a softball scholarship and can be a benefit to their team, then they must have the next national championship squad... or they ain't looking at the North Carolina talent very closely.

I was looking at one schools "prospective athlete" form. On it, there was a "where will you be playing" list. There was ONE event listed that was being held in the State of North Carolina! This was touched on before on another thread. There is a great need for showcasing opportunities here at home. In that thread I referenced what Impact baseball has done for our NC boys. Their showcases have put a lot of kids in front of a lot of coaches and scouts over the past years. They have developed to the point that at this fall's underclassman and unsigned seniors showcase there where almost 300 kids participating with some kids there from as far away as New York and Ohio. This winter they will have a strictly "invite only" pitcher catcher showcase. Go watch that and you'll see not only the guys who will be on the bump for the colleges around here but also a few that will be getting paid someday in the Big Leagues. There is talent here in NC, on the 60' diamond as well as the 90'!

I'll get off my soapbox now... but I just believe, like the old beach music song goes..., "Carolina girls are the best in the world"!
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I think the original intention of this thread has long ago left the room....

I applaud your enthusiasm and passion to " help the coaches of NC based colleges and universities discover the talent available within the state of NC."

The original premise of the thread was why certain institutions don't offer softball as a sport. Based on the comments posted, we have determined that it is either due to:

1. Money
2. Title 9
3. Diversity of the life styles of the player pool
4. Lack of funding of scholarships

Which one did we decide it was.... I forget....

As for the grass roots attempt to contribute $$ to the schools in need..
( by the way, which one's are they, and how do we determine that?)

I am sure they will take your money....but it will not become part of the funding of athletic scholarships. I am sure everyone understands that there are budgets created years ahead to fund a programs athletic scholarships. This is part of the function the booster clubs perform.

While the NCAA sets maximum limits as too how many scholarship equivilants are available per sport, the schools and sometimes the conferences actually reduce the limits. The reasons why vary from school to school, and sometimes it is not due to lack of money. Some conferences limit equivilants among sports for competitive reasons.
They have maximum and minimum guidelines.

All that being said..... Let's say we actually collect the $90,000.00 spoken about in an above post.

Who is gonna manage this money, and who is gonna determine how it is
distributed?? Everyone that contributes is gonna have an opinion as to who is deserving and who is not. Lack of control creates opportunity.
Good luck with that..

NC softball is the strongest it has ever been. We are finally catching up with the rest of the country. Competition among coaches for the top players is cut throat.

If your not getting seen, take a long look in the mirror, and ask yourself
why?

1. grades?
2. commitment to the sport?
3. attending camps of the schools you want to attend?
4. true assessment of your skill level?
5. does the coach know who you are?

While baseball and softball take different paths to showcase their kids,
don't let a perceived lack of showcase events in softball impact your recruitment. Personally I think there are plenty.

The truely top players in NC are getting seen and for the most part, being recruited by NC Universities and Colleges. We let some slip away every now and then. (Ashton Ward, Kelly Grieve, Nikki Prier come to mind quickly)

So after all this.....We are right back where we started...

How do we get Duke, Wake Forest, UNC-A, Davidson, to start softball programs...
(sorry if I missed anyone)

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while you are at it,
Could you please also figure out a way to end the Iraq war, and prove to me that Elvis is really dead,

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Happy Holidays all......
Dec 16, 2008 at 1:59 PM #73

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He is right about violating NCAA rules. My thought is not only about the UNC systems school. If more was donated to softball programs through out the schools in the state scholaships, facilities, equipment and everything could be upgraded. Improve these and other schools feel like they have to get in for a peice of the pie.
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Facilities at some oft he D2 schools really could be upgraded in North Carolina. Money going to the coaches there would get attention to bring more into softball.
Dec 16, 2008 at 4:25 PM #75

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I'll answer your second two questions first... nuke 'em and nobody can sing like the "King" anymore, therefore proving that he's dead!
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Gman13'sdad said: ↑

I'll answer your second two questions first... nuke 'em and nobody can sing like the "King" anymore, therefore proving that he's dead!
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Now we are getting somewhere....

thks
Dec 16, 2008 at 5:28 PM #77

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Can Be More to it Than Just Giving the Money

Heard this from a friend who has a daughter who plays at a D1 school in NC. I think I have the facts correct.

This school had a private donor who wanted to donate the all funds needed to build the softball team a state of the art indoor batting/practice facility. However when the idea was taken to the school trustees, it was turned down. The reason,............the location where the new facility would be built was on part of the Frisbee golf course that is near the existing softball complex.

The donor said never mind.
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Well, ok, this thread has moved around a bit and its very interesting. Let me add this.........ECU softball 2009 singess are: 1 from Hawaii, and the other from Anaheim, Calf.
Whats up with that?
No NC talent worthy to Coach Kee?
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Thought

kanwj said: ↑

He is right about violating NCAA rules. My thought is not only about the UNC systems school. If more was donated to softball programs through out the schools in the state scholaships, facilities, equipment and everything could be upgraded. Improve these and other schools feel like they have to get in for a peice of the pie.
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What makes you think if you were able to give all this money that the schools would chose NC recruits only?
Dec 16, 2008 at 8:42 PM #80

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I'm not really looking to just add scholarships to North Carolina girls. I am referring to adding to the North Carolina programs. I agree that many of the state's programs over look our players. Hopefully we will developing our own coaches in the next few years so they are not imported.

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