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What effect will this have on NC sports?

Discussion in 'Softball Forum' started by softballphreak, Jul 15, 2009.

  1. softballphreak

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    Football?????

    I get a little tired of everyone talking about football being the "money making" sport. Has anyone done a real study of what football actually costs to field a team and if there is indeed a profit? Our booster club raises a lot of money to pay for annual helmet refurbishing at $150.00 each, along with all the other equipment that the team requires. Oh, and did I mention that the team hasn't had a winning season in forever???? What gives?

    One money saving idea that I have been pushing for several years, to no avail, with the softball teams in our conference is Saturday double headers. I go to your place this year and you come to mine next year. It cuts travel in half and the kids are home on the week nights to study. Play the teams that are close to you one game at a time at night, but the teams that are a good distance away play two games on Saturday. It would probably help the parents out with time off from work as well.
     
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    more games less expense...

    Double headers would definitely be the way to go. I've wondered why NCHSAA has not adopted that. Season starts what...March 1st? From there you go to mid May? That's 10 weeks. DH Tuesdays with some NON conference round robin tournaments consisting of teams of 4 on a couple Saturdays. Combine the DH's with the boys baseball team. Let them all travel together. You get a bunch of games with less travel and expense for the school and parents. It's a no brainer. Why have people been dragging their feet for so long?
     
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    I like the idea of DH's also, College is played that way to save travel costs. The only problem that I can see is with the JV team.
     
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    Any HS program that has a JV team (and most larger than 1A do) plays a double header on most game days/nights already. Playing varsity-only double headers would necessitate the JV's playing and travelling separately from the varsity. There are a great many advantages in the current system. Changing it does not make any sense at all.

    Whats the real reason behind the idea of changing HS to varsity only double headers?... So the season can be condensed into 12 game days so travel ball can be unhindered earlier in the spring? This sounds like an idea from the TB crowd.

    As far as the NCHSAA goes, there is nothing to adopt. They do not dictate when games are to be played, only the number allowed in one week.
     
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    I've heard rumors of eliminating jv ball. I wonder if that applies to football and basketball.

    I don't believe the suggestion had anything to do with TB; I believe the intention was to show how money (the current problem) could be saved. Come to think of it, TB proves that softball can be a revenue-producing sport. Maybe we need to re-think how HS softball operates. Heck, we might be able to sponsor a HS football team.

    Do they have TB football teams?
     
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    ....nice. I agree 100%. No sport in HS is a money maker. I say...................get up off your butts county school board members.
    I know Bobby Guthrie. He's a damn good guy. He played HS baseball, and he played college ball at UNCW. His back is against a wall. Without support from the school board members, 'ol BG will have no choice than to cut his budget to school programs.
    HHHMMMM, imagine this, teachers, coaches and volunteers who give their time FREE OF CHARGE are not allowed to do so. That would be the worst....wait!, thats exactly whats going on now! The tail is wagging the dog in the use of funds in HS sports!
    Other than Guthrie, I'll bet none of the school board members could throw a ball 60 ft. yet they have the audacity to dictate athletic policy. PPLLHHHHGGHGHGH!
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    Case for High School Athletics

    This is a link to a study posted on the nchsaa web site:

    http://www.nchsaa.org/page.php?mode=privateview&pageID=85

    If they cut too many non-revenue producing sports they should re-do this study. I would predict the GPA would be far lower than it is now. Come to think of it maybe it would be far higher if the revenue-producing sports were not included in the study.

    Just sayin'.


    A quote from the study:

    "The research reported here shows that participation in athletics serves as a positive motivational factor for students," said Whitley, "and there is a direct relationship between participation in athletics and academic success."
     
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    NCHSAA Needs to Stand Up for HS Athletics!!!

    The NCHSAA needs to take a stand for more athletics rather than less. Two of the studies on their own site support that notion. For example, the dropout rate for athletes was 12 times lower than for non-athletes.

    Our athletes work hard for their achievements; we need someone who will work hard for them. Those studies prove the value of sports in school. Ask not what sports can be cut; ask how we can recruit more athletes. Look at the long-term value; not what can be saved over a semester.
     
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    with less than 40 days before school starts again, the only cuts that i have been told about are non conference games. no sports have been cut to this date. in our county, we are limited to 20 miles travel for a non conference game and though double headers were discussed, that thought was eliminated from further discussion as most teams are very limited on pitching (softball and baseball) and there would be limited cost savings as you still would have to pay the umps and jv would be played at the opposite field (away team) which would mean more coaches as most asst varsity baseball coaches are also the head jv coach. yadda yadda yadda....it went on for ever......

    our football schedule dropped by four games.

    golf will likely be eliminated at a further date as it costs $1700.00 per team (boys plus girls) for a total of 3400.00 per year per school with no chance of recooping that cost.

    we have even discussed combining travel with softball and baseball on the same bus, but i dont believe thats a good idea period. it will probably be tried during basketball season.
     

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