The Labrum List

andro - compensation

Andro,

Great insight!

What I think I am hearing you say is through compensation a pitcher loses efficiency and therefore performance can suffer (as well as the potential for injury increases). Is that correct?

If so, I think we are both saying relatively the same thing (maybe with a different working definition of terms).

All of this goes back to the other thread about the article and the curveball. Without efficiency and body parts working together (vs. working against each other in compensating patterns) some link in the kinetic chain will "give/break".

I agree, great discussion.

P.S. Would love to PM with you Andro and discuss philosophies.

 

Many thanks to both of you. I've made sure that he's seen your comments and related articles. Fortunately, he's in very good hands.

 

haha!

He can come and work out with me anytime he wants. I'd love to spend some time working with him.

I'll put him up for free.

I disagree with you about the Padres organization. I've got a guy down there too. I spent some time working with another one, Matt Teague, who is in Hi A right now. Got drafted @ 91-93 in the 8th. He came back at 83-84. I'm not picking on the Padres. and I don't mean any harm with that comment. I just think there is a disconnect in player development in the minor leagues.

 

Keep posting boys, I'm trying to learn all the exacts of a very inexact science.

 

Barkart Lesion

My son Bryant Noteboom (SSS/WCU) torn his non-throwing shoulder 4 years ago on a play at the plate - while going around a tag, put his left arm out to catch the plate late and dislocated his left shoulder. We got it to go back in the place, but would come back out many times until he had surgey to repair the joint.

 

Maybe Andro and ATC could pick out some guys in here and dissect the mechanics.
http://www.pitchingclips.com/

 

Rotater cuff

Years ago the shoulder problems that a pitcher had were all rotater cuff issues! Are we now calling them labrem issues, or are they two diffrent things, and why are we not having the rotater cuff problems like we have labrem and TJ injuries? Did some one change the name of the same problem after futher review, just curious, I was told I had rotater cuff issues when I played and now you never hear of that injury due to all the TJ and labrem talk. Please educate me on this subject.

 

Andro:

He's at the Padres' training facility in suburban Phoenix, working daily with their physical therapist and trainers; all of whom work closely with the club's chief orthopedic surgeon (who performed the surgery in San Diego). As I'm sure you know, that's a very different circumstance from the typical minor league environment, whether the Padres' or virtually anyone else's.

In any case, thanks very much for the offer and the insight. It's genuinely appreciated.

 

Rotator cuff and Labrum

Hammerdog. They are absolutely two different things. Rotator cuff and Labrum. My guess is that it was defined very generally in the past as a rotator cuff injury. It's not that they didn't say it was a labrum tear. It was a general definition. Now as surgery becomes more defined and specific they are able to designate a tear in the labrum or rotator cuff. There absolutely is such a thing as a torn rotator cuff today. ATC will definitely have a better answer than me on this one.


Prepster. Hope I didn't come off like a jerk. I know how hard your boy works. I enjoyed watching him pitch. I kinda said that sarcastically a little toward the minor leagues. I know that he will put himself in good hands.

Q, give us a general topic. ATC and I have been back and forth and we are on the same page with a lot of things. We are going to start posting some of the things we are talking about via pm on here. If you have some questions, shoot.

 

Hammerdog and Andro

Hammerdog,

Andro answered the question very well. Rotator cuff tears and labrum tears are two different things.

Why haven't you heard more about labrum tears??? IMO a couple of reasons... 1) better diagnostic imaging 2) we are not coaching/teaching efficient mechanics (as a whole in the baseball world) causing different parts of the chain to compensate.

Here is an analogy to help understand the role of the labrum...

The shoulder is a ball and socket joint. The size of the two are misproportionate. The ball of the shoulder can be thought of as a basketball. The socket of the shoulder can be thought of as a golf tee. So in the shoulder, we have this relatively huge thing sitting on a relatively small thing. The labrum's job is to deepen the socket a little bit. By deepening the socket the labrum helps with stability in the shoulder. As Andro has eluded to, if you have muscular and flexibility imbalances, you have some parts wearing out... In this case, the labrum.