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Discussion in 'Softball Forum' started by marlinfan1, Aug 27, 2009.

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Sep 19, 2009 at 10:54 PM #21

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There is no stronger political force than the NCAA. I'll be shocked if they don't move to be exempt from this rule. They will wave their higher education banner and will remind everybody that it's STUDENT-athlete's, not athlete's and will blitzkrieg the courts with their army of lobbyists.

But this is a rule I hope gets challenged, but it opens up a Pandora's Box that leads to many stupid and disgraceful decisions: "The NCAA can't force someone to give up a year's eligibility either." Think about this rule for a minute. A student-athlete can't transfer from one D1 school to another without receiving a penalty, yet the NLI is only binding from year to year--meaning each year they can take it away, yet you still can't move without a penalty. How unfair is that? Take it a little farther; the NCAA says you can't move without penalty to another D1 school, but it's ok if you go to our sister schools--the D2's & D3's. What kind of message is that sending? That you can still play in our league, but it has to be in our minor league? geez...what arrogance!

Personally, I'd love to see the NCAA be held accountable for their actions. They make many decisions that in any other business would be ruled illegal, but that's what they have done so well in their image-making. They stand behind their higher education banner and wave it to the public while reaping billions of dollars off their athletes and call them students first. They've sold the public that they are not a business...and have done a great job in doing so. I love when there are shots taken at that elephant---it's the only way you can make it move.
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Excellent Post!

....and how cool is this saying, "I love when shots are taken at this elephant, its the only way to make it move".

Classic!

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Sep 20, 2009 at 5:43 PM #22

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my previous post sounds like I am on the "school" side of this debate. What I was really getting at was the obligation a kid makes when they sign an NLI. Yes, these are minors, but they are a very small, and special, segment of kids that age. They should be more aware of the responsibility that comes with the talent that gets them this special attention. As all kids soon find out, once they enter the "real world", just because you want something, or don't want it, doesn't mean you can change it. Also, blaming others because of a predicament one of these young people gets themselves into is no longer a valid excuse.

Being a college athlete means that a kid better be more mature than his or her peers. Unlike them, an athlete has something very tangible that they can lose. If they aren't mature enough to keep this special privilege, then there is most certainly someone waiting in the wings to take their place!

This whole situation just strikes me as the same type stuff you see where the kid pouts about playing time on one team so momma and daddy find a new team for their little darling so she can be the star... or worse, daddy starts a new team centered around his baby. What life lesson does that teach?

Braves, I agree the NCAA is an "elephant" that needs to be shot on a regular basis. The rules they place on athletes is primarily based on the football/basketball players. In other words, the "full ride" athletes. Kids that play sports that predominantly receive partial scholarships are unfairly penalized by the transfer rules, work rules etc. Those rule definitely need to be addressed.

This lawsuit though, in my opinion, isn't going to make things better for the average scholarship seeking kid. It very well could make the recruiting process even more difficult for all involved, players, parents and coaches.
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my previous post sounds like I am on the "school" side of this debate. What I was really getting at was the obligation a kid makes when they sign an NLI. Yes, these are minors, but they are a very small, and special, segment of kids that age. They should be more aware of the responsibility that comes with the talent that gets them this special attention. As all kids soon find out, once they enter the "real world", just because you want something, or don't want it, doesn't mean you can change it. Also, blaming others because of a predicament one of these young people gets themselves into is no longer a valid excuse.

Being a college athlete means that a kid better be more mature than his or her peers. Unlike them, an athlete has something very tangible that they can lose. If they aren't mature enough to keep this special privilege, then there is most certainly someone waiting in the wings to take their place!

This whole situation just strikes me as the same type stuff you see where the kid pouts about playing time on one team so momma and daddy find a new team for their little darling so she can be the star... or worse, daddy starts a new team centered around his baby. What life lesson does that teach?

Braves, I agree the NCAA is an "elephant" that needs to be shot on a regular basis. The rules they place on athletes is primarily based on the football/basketball players. In other words, the "full ride" athletes. Kids that play sports that predominantly receive partial scholarships are unfairly penalized by the transfer rules, work rules etc. Those rule definitely need to be addressed.

This lawsuit though, in my opinion, isn't going to make things better for the average scholarship seeking kid. It very well could make the recruiting process even more difficult for all involved, players, parents and coaches.
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Good post GMan
Sep 20, 2009 at 9:16 PM #24

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my previous post sounds like I am on the "school" side of this debate. What I was really getting at was the obligation a kid makes when they sign an NLI. Yes, these are minors, but they are a very small, and special, segment of kids that age. They should be more aware of the responsibility that comes with the talent that gets them this special attention. As all kids soon find out, once they enter the "real world", just because you want something, or don't want it, doesn't mean you can change it. Also, blaming others because of a predicament one of these young people gets themselves into is no longer a valid excuse.

Being a college athlete means that a kid better be more mature than his or her peers. Unlike them, an athlete has something very tangible that they can lose. If they aren't mature enough to keep this special privilege, then there is most certainly someone waiting in the wings to take their place!

This whole situation just strikes me as the same type stuff you see where the kid pouts about playing time on one team so momma and daddy find a new team for their little darling so she can be the star... or worse, daddy starts a new team centered around his baby. What life lesson does that teach?

Braves, I agree the NCAA is an "elephant" that needs to be shot on a regular basis. The rules they place on athletes is primarily based on the football/basketball players. In other words, the "full ride" athletes. Kids that play sports that predominantly receive partial scholarships are unfairly penalized by the transfer rules, work rules etc. Those rule definitely need to be addressed.

This lawsuit though, in my opinion, isn't going to make things better for the average scholarship seeking kid. It very well could make the recruiting process even more difficult for all involved, players, parents and coaches.
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.....nice post GMan.

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Welcome and thanks for the information. great job there.
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I am the attorney who represented Kelsy Evans. Since that case was settled, I have received calls from parents, players and coaches from all over the country. In most if not all states, someone under the age of 18 does not have the legal capacity to enter into a contract. In most states parents do not have the capacity to bind their minor child to a contract without the contract being approved by a superior court judge. An example of this a contact to settle a personal injury law suit where the plaintiff (victom) is a minor. Inorder for such a settlement to be binding on the minor child after they reach the age of majority (18), the contract/settlement MUST be approved by a superior court judge. This is the case in NC. The NC Supreme court recently ruled that a minor settlement which was signed by the parents and not submitted to a judge for approval was not binding on the minor when they reached the age of 18.
As it relates to entertainment and sports, several years ago NC enacted a law which requries that any and all contacts under which a minor is to provide services as an entainer or as a player for a sports team, the minor may repudiate the contract upon reaching the age of majority unless the contract was signed by the minors parent and approved by a Superior Court Judge. Over the last few years, I have represented record labels and minor artist in hearing before a judge to have the contracts approved. The law is a good law. These are kids we are taling about and they must be protected and sometimes that protection is needed to protect them from their parents. Having a judge review these agreements is good for everyone.
The LOI system is broken. In order for the LOT to be valid, the minors are going to have to be represented by counsel and go before a judge. I know the NCAA are currently looking into this.
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........even HS kids with hardly grown mustaches, that look like somebody painted them over a lip, can atleast spell victim!
Lawyer?????????????

Not even a good try kid.

Marlinfan1, friend of the the Evans and their attorney

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im on the kids side. i believ -IMO - that anytime a coach leaves the athletes should be allowed the option to transfer without sitting.

"choose the school not the coach" PLEASE. so you are saying a kid that played in offense a in hs, signs for a coach that runs offense a should be forced to stay there even though the school brings in a coach that runs offense b

college is supposed to prepare you for what you plan to do after you graduate.

>>>>>>if i were in a pastors degree for being a baptist preacher, and the school switched to an aethiest program should i tuff it out? <<<<<<<
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>>>>>>if i were in a pastors degree for being a baptist preacher, and the school switched to an aethiest program should i tuff it out? <<<<<<<
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You would have to sit our a year of seminary work when you transfer.

Sad and a bit creepy to have a so called legal beagle post a legal opinion in here and yet said poster could and should be sued as an imposter.
Jun 13, 2010 at 10:18 PM #29

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im on the kids side. i believ -IMO - that anytime a coach leaves the athletes should be allowed the option to transfer without sitting.

"choose the school not the coach" PLEASE. so you are saying a kid that played in offense a in hs, signs for a coach that runs offense a should be forced to stay there even though the school brings in a coach that runs offense b

college is supposed to prepare you for what you plan to do after you graduate.

>>>>>>if i were in a pastors degree for being a baptist preacher, and the school switched to an aethiest program should i tuff it out? <<<<<<<
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I believe you just pointed out that you should choose education over softball. After all, there is no softball after graduation, for the most part.

I agree with that even if that wasn't your intended message.

What if you could attend Harvard but not be able to play softball? What would be your choice?

In other words, school first or softball first? Even if you can have both, which is the highest priority?
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jjsphotos said: ↑

im on the kids side. i believ -IMO - that anytime a coach leaves the athletes should be allowed the option to transfer without sitting.

"choose the school not the coach" PLEASE. so you are saying a kid that played in offense a in hs, signs for a coach that runs offense a should be forced to stay there even though the school brings in a coach that runs offense b

college is supposed to prepare you for what you plan to do after you graduate.

>>>>>>if i were in a pastors degree for being a baptist preacher, and the school switched to an aethiest program should i tuff it out? <<<<<<<
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.... a minor signing a legally binding contract n NC has been ruled "non-binding".
I'm not the lawyer who made history getting this verdict.
You know something TBR, when a kid gives their word it should mean something, or at least thats how I understood what giving your word was back in the day.....but when we, as adults really look at this gig of signing, we all probably will agree that all the bells and whistles that come from the head coach are first and foremost what a starry eyed kid will see. Buyer beware when you are an adult is the rule and the law, but kidsw have got to be treated with our best interest, PERIOD.

Funny how the legal powers that be in NC have already figured this stuff out.

Man up parents and make sure you follow hook, line, and sinker, every step of your kids college recruiting trip.

Fishman

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