In-State tuition for out of state athletes...

Maybe some will have to re-think bringing in players from Canada or wherever they get their OOS kids from.

In baseball they must have 30 players on scholarship and they must have at least 25% athletic money., Those numbers change next year by a reduction of players to 27.

But even with the talk of increased scholarships, it only helps the schools that can afford it. Many D1 programs are not fully funded which obviously gives those schools less money to spend. If the athletic dept can't afford or refuse to pay the difference in OOS tuition, I can't imagine a coach in a non-revenue sport continuing to recruit those players. Which brings me back to my point. It should offer more opportunities to the athletes in NC....now, are they ready to step it up? I hope parents and students are much more prepared and aware than the one's 8-10 years ago. It takes a special athlete to compete at that level. One that dedicates themselves to practice, hard work, increased talent and a passion for the game. I hope the players are stronger and faster than the players from 8-10 yo ago....because the opportunities just got better for those that did.

 

....hhmmmmm, ok, I'll stay away from the who or whats good buddy, but I hear you loud and clear.

JMO, "looking into my crystal ball, I see my football tickets, basketball tickets and my parking passes costing more.




........then comes the real scratching off a check!

 

......a year or so ago, I was told that baseball and softball had 11-12 scholarships.
When did baseball get 30? And where did Title 9 kick in and see to the girls getting their equal share?

 

.....I do recall the gig that was applied about the 1/4th amount of money in a schollie.
How does that make a difference, or does it?
Just asking, no dog in the hunt.

Fishbuddy

 

This will better explain it: http://www.independentmail.com/news/2007/may/01/leggett-speaks-out-against-new-ncaa-baseball-rules/

The 25% will go to 33% next year.

 

haha...30 schollies? Don't they wish. It's still 11.7 at D1 spread out among 30 players. Now with rules set up how the money is applied....well, all I can say is it's a mess. Another clear example of a NCAA snafu. A kid that was making book money ($500) could have a good summer year and another school offered 50%. The initial school was always accommodating because they rarely blamed the kid for receiving and accepting a substantially better scholly. Now that kid will be penalized and forced to sit out a year.

The rules were changed to upgrade APR's at schools, but as always an overreaction to solving a concern went overboard. I could discuss this for hours, but many of it doesn't affect softball and I don't want to bore the people in this forum.

 

....you're not boring me at all.

And softball most likely will adopt the same 1/4 gig soon.

And APRs are important to all sports and the use of funds.

I've been down the APR road over and over....so for the good of our newbies in TBR, will you explain this gig?

Thanks

Dr. Fish

 

This is a pretty condensed version explaining APR in a baseball sense: Baseballfactory.com

"The APR, which was introduced in 2005, measures the ability of each Division I team’s student-athletes to make progress towards receiving a college degree in a reasonable span of time (five years). In the most practical terms, it measures the academic performance and retention of Division I student-athletes from year-to-year. The NCAA created the APR to promote success in the classroom and graduation for all sports. It also serves as an institutional-wide metric of support for student-athletes.

The NCAA assigns points for certain criteria a scholarship athlete fulfills. The two criteria are retention and eligibility, which are assigned once during the fall and once during the spring for a total of four points. To calculate a team’s APR, the total number of earned points for the team are divided by the total possible points for the team, and multiplied by 1,000.

The benchmark number for APR has been set at 925, which translates roughly to a 60% graduation rate. Evaluated on an annual basis as well as four-year intervals, teams that exceed this level will benefit from positive public recognition, while those that fall below this benchmark are subject to a variety of penalties. Given college baseball’s enormous schedule (56 games), first-time offenders may lose 10% of their schedule. Down the road, repeat offenders can lose 10% of their total scholarships, practice time, postseason competition and even lose their Division I status!

While all Division I sports are subject to the APR, the nature of college and professional baseball make it especially vulnerable to special challenges and consequences. Beyond the short-term benefits and penalties involving the APR, I believe we will see a major long-term impacts including:

* More college players in summer school than ever, which will have an adverse effect on development and collegiate leagues. There are also financial ramifications, as families will have to pay for the extra credit hours out of pocket, as scholarships will not normally cover these.
* Coaches will have to weigh the academic liabilities of their prospective recruits more carefully. This will mean that more kids will be driven to professional baseball, as they will not be given the chance to prove themselves in the classroom. Division II, Division III, NAIA, and JC programs will also benefit from a trickle-down effect of more talented players without the necessary grades to play Division I.
* Smaller schools, located in colder climates, will be more affected by penalties such as reduction in schedule because they are already subject to the loss of games through weather. This will exacerbate the competitive inequality between northern and southern schools.
* Coaches have always been evaluated on wins and losses, but now the success of their athletes in the classroom is more important than ever. This all will add to the pressures of winning on the field!"

 

.....excellent post!

hey folks, playing in HS or TB, and then going down the recruiting trail to college has so many things to consider, that....no slander, most of us have no idea about.

TBR does a great job providing information that include things in college, ie "next level" that are important in the long run of our players. i'm not sitting on a soap box here about preps v. next level, but this gig does make a decent point about the two forums sticking together.

Thanks Braves

Good luck to all!

Fish

 

Just got a letter from our "friendly AD" at UNC-A in reference to the changes that the new legislation has caused...

First, the letter reminded us that tuition has gone up around $425 per semester... for a partial scholly athlete, like my son and any other baseball (or softball) player, that will come out of the players/parents pocket.

Next, we were informed that, because of the new rules, the 45, or so, OOS athletes from all sports/teams will cost the Athletic Dept. around a half a million dollars! At Carolina, or NC State, a half mil may be "chump change"... but at the rest of the UNC system schools this is "real money"! To their credit, UNC-A wants to honor their commitment to these athletes. The thing is, they want us parents to "pony up" and help cover the shortfall. The Legislature has hit parents of non rev. athletes with a double whammy. We HAVE to pay our part for our kids education and, we WANT to support our kid's athletic programs... but the economy sucks for us too.

I know some believe that the new rules will create more opportunities for in-state athletes and I'm all for that, especially when it comes to softball where the majority of the school's rosters are made up with predominantly OOS athletes. There will probably be more emphasis on in-state recruiting but I foresee there also being less money offered to these in-state athletes, or even more "invited walk-on" offers made. Softball may very well see more of the "book money" type schollies to homegrown players, at least until they get a rule like baseball with some type of minimum percentage.

I guess we'll see how this all plays out.