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You make the call

Discussion in 'Softball Forum' started by justsoftball, Mar 19, 2011.

  1. justsoftball

    justsoftball Full Access Member

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    Lefty slapper up at the plate. Takes a strike watching, a ball. Count 1-1. Stepping, holds bat square (hand on either end), pokes, misses - ball high. Count 2-1. Remainder goes as follows:

    1) moving towards pitcher, bat squared, pokes, foul. Count 2-2
    2) moving towards pitcher, bat squared, pokes, foul. Count 2-2
    3) Pitcher delivered, on ground. Count 3-2
    4) Moving toward pitcher, both hands on handle, bat behind the body, taps ball, foul. Count 3-2
    5) Moving toward pitcher, bat squared, pokes, foul. Count 3-2
    6) Pitcher delivered low. Batter send to 1b, BB.


    What is the CORRECT call on all but 3 & 6?
     
  2. rhughes18

    rhughes18 umpire

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    You are asking if these actions are bunt attempts or slap hits. The actions you are describing are slaps and not drag bunts. With a drag bunt the batter's hands slide up the handle and a slap hit the hands stay in the normal hitting position on the bat.

    This is a had to be there call, but sounds like the correct call was made.
     
  3. justsoftball

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    Gotta keep in mind, on several of these instances, one hand is down the barrel, other at the handle, squared fully front...tapping ball.
     
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    Where did it say that in the OP other then the third pitch?

    I also said if the hands stay in the normal hitting position then its a slap and not a drag bunt.

    [edited: If the batter squared to bunt then a foul on a third strike would be an out. I just cant see a batter who squared to bunt stepping, moving or running toward the pitcher, unless this batter was a novice. I can see a batter running or stepping toward the pitcher with the bat to the side and over the plate which would be judged a slap if the hands or a hand didn't slide up the handle.]
     
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    judgement call

    only one you have to convince is the ump.... if they see it as a slap, then it's a slap
     
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    Here's one for ya, RH batter squares and bunts 2nd strike foul. On next pitch, she squares and tries to punch ball past charging 3rd baseman. Ball rolls approx 150 ft (into left field) but foul. Ump calls her out for bunting 3rd strike foul. I asked him how a bunt could roll 150 feet but a slap might only go 50. He said in his opinion she was bunting since she squared to the pitcher and her hands were seperated. Help me here Blues or windmiller. I know some teach batters to punch the ball toward the 3-4 or 5-6 holes, but are they out if it's foul or is it another way to slap from the right side? Oh well.
     
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    3rd base is 60 feet away. if it truly went 150 feet, then it's in the middle of the outfield when it rolled across the foul line, but it is still a fair ball...

    Did it really go 150 feet, or did it roll foul before it got to the 3rd base bag?
     
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    It was foul when it came by me in the box and rolled down the fence yes, half way into left field. I'm not questioning if it was foul. My problem was, and I may be wrong, but I don't see why it was ruled a bunt instead of a punch. Either way, doesn't matter. It was in the first inning and probably had no outcome on the game. I just thought it was pretty gutsy on my batter and woulda slowed the 3rd basemans charge for later. I didn't argue with the Blue for too long, just asked him to explain how he could rule a ball hit into the outfield as a bunt.
     
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    If the batter is squared to bunt and the hands are seperated, it doesn't matter how hard they push the bat into the ball they are still bunting. If they slide there hands together and slap the ball then they are hitting. e.g. Show bunt then slide hands together to slap ball passed charging infielder. This is a hit. Batter squares with hands in bunting position and pushes bat into ball is still a bunt attempt.
     
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    Slap

    Section 51, Article 2b: Those in which the batter takes running/moving steps toward the pitcher before making contact with the pitch.
     

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