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Discussion in 'Softball Forum' started by justsoftball, Mar 19, 2011.

  1. rhughes18

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    Is that ASA, that does not recognize a drag bunt?

    (NCAA 1.105 Slap Hit...a batted ball that has been struck with a short, chopping motion rather than with a full swing)
     
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  2. Pop Rivers

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    No ASA

    High Schools in North Carolina do not play by ASA rules. It comes from the National Federation of State High School Associations rule book/2011.
     
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    I know NCHSAA does not play under ASA and play under NFHS, but I have never seen a section 51 in the NFHS rulebook. My NFHS rule book only goes to section or rule 10. That's why I asked of ir was ASA.

    (Added: I see rule 2.51 ART. 2b. You didn't cite the definition of a slap which is the same as I quoted for NCAA.)

    The whole rule needs to be quoted and not just one part that is taken out of context.

    2-51-1 A slap hit is a batted ball that has been struck with a short, chopping motion rather than with a full swing
    2-51-2 The two most common types of slap hits are: a. Those in which the batter takes her stance as if to bunt but then either drives the ball into the ground with a quick, short swing or punches it over the infield.
    b. Those in which the batter takes running steps toward the pitcher before making contact with the pitch.


    This is not saying that any movement toward the pitcher is a slap hit if contact is made, it is saying that one type of slap hitting has movement toward the pitcher.
     
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    Sorry!

    I apologize. I thought you wanted an answer to your scenario. In your scenario the batter was moving toward the pitcher, and that constitutes a slap according to the section I quoted. Movement through the box equals slap.
     
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    Just to be clear movement toward the pitcher itself is not a slap. There must be a chopping motion. The rule is clear that the chopping motion constitutes a slap and one of the variations of a slap consists of running toward the pitcher and chopping at the ball. It does not state or even imply that movement toward the pitcher is a slap attempt.
     
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    Come on!

    You said in first post that a lefty slapper was at the plate. You said that slapper in question was moving toward the pitcher. A duck is a duck and in this case, a slapper is a slapper.
     
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    The scenario or scenarios are not mine. I am only providing insight to what is judged a bunt attempt and a slap. The scenarios have been posted by others.

    Are you saying that if a batter is given the moniker of a slapper then every action she makes at the plate is a slap?
     
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    Still a duck!

    I understand the scenario was not yours and I apologize. Knowing who a slapper is should not be rocket science. I would think one time at the plate and you would know that the batter is a slapper whether you are a coach or an umpire. If you as an umpire do not recognize a slapper at the plate, I will probably be ejected before the day is over.
     
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    I know the difference between a slap and a bunt and slappers can bunt at times. If there is no chopping motion or movement or the bat then the batter has tapped or met the ball with the bat and by rule it is a bunt. My point is clearly supported by the rules. Your arguement has no validity, and is no way supported by the rules.
     
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    I'm gone!

    Like I said, I would be ejected!
     

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