Paying Players ?

PhoenixPhan · Mar 28, 2011 at 1:17 PM

CardCoach2 said: ↑

I was gonna keep my mouth shut but AS USUAL, THE DANG THING WON'T STAY CLOSED.
I think the wording of the post could have been done in a fashion that would not have opened this can of worms.
I have had a couple of calls asking for my take on it, from folks that know the situation being discussed. From those conversations, I have come to realize that this coach should have proof read what he posted before he posted it.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with helping a kid, kids or familes out for travel expense.
Many teams are self sponsored, such as mine.
Many teams have business sponsors. We all look for ways of curbing the enormous expense we encounter.
I help the kids/families out when I can. I think we are called to help each other out.
Would you consider that "paying a player to play" or "paying for a player to play"?
What's the difference? I still take care of the players game expenses and sometimes travel expense.
NCAA has no rule against it. ASA has no rule against. God has no rule against it in fact he says we're supposed to help a brother/sister out when we can. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's ok!

Before we crucify someone on this board, would it not be better to find out all the info. I have sent word to this particular coach that he may want to revisit his wording in the post.

I hope one day we can all just get along. (don't see that happening, too many mean spirited people)
From what I see, over and over and over on these message boards, we are all just looking for someone to jump on about something, whether all the facts are there or not. In the future, I would hope that the ranting would be taken to the "Rant and Rave" thread and let's keep what's on here, something we can find useful or positive.
I'm done.
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AMEN!

softballphreak · Mar 28, 2011 at 1:38 PM

CardCoach2 said: ↑

I was gonna keep my mouth shut but AS USUAL, THE DANG THING WON'T STAY CLOSED.
I think the wording of the post could have been done in a fashion that would not have opened this can of worms.
I have had a couple of calls asking for my take on it, from folks that know the situation being discussed. From those conversations, I have come to realize that this coach should have proof read what he posted before he posted it.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with helping a kid, kids or familes out for travel expense.
Many teams are self sponsored, such as mine.
Many teams have business sponsors. We all look for ways of curbing the enormous expense we encounter.
I help the kids/families out when I can. I think we are called to help each other out.
Would you consider that "paying a player to play" or "paying for a player to play"?
What's the difference? I still take care of the players game expenses and sometimes travel expense.
NCAA has no rule against it. ASA has no rule against. God has no rule against it in fact he says we're supposed to help a brother/sister out when we can. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's ok!

Before we crucify someone on this board, would it not be better to find out all the info. I have sent word to this particular coach that he may want to revisit his wording in the post.

I hope one day we can all just get along. (don't see that happening, too many mean spirited people)
From what I see, over and over and over on these message boards, we are all just looking for someone to jump on about something, whether all the facts are there or not. In the future, I would hope that the ranting would be taken to the "Rant and Rave" thread and let's keep what's on here, something we can find useful or positive.
I'm done.
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No reason to keep your mouth shut! Thanks for all you do!!

Gator_Dad · Mar 28, 2011 at 2:22 PM

cmmguy said: ↑

Why? Maybe we should ban some parents from parenting too.
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because every kid that takes this money has lost her chance to play in college. she has lost her amatuer status. only an idiot would do this to the kids.

based on the fact that this person is obviously lacking the knowledge needed for his girls to play at the next level i would ban him/her from coaching.

cmmguy · Mar 28, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Gator_Dad said: ↑

because every kid that takes this money has lost her chance to play in college. she has lost her amatuer status. only an idiot would do this to the kids.

based on the fact that this person is obviously lacking the knowledge needed for his girls to play at the next level i would ban him/her from coaching.
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What about kids that dont go to play in college... which is probably more than 80% at that age. So, you dont pay the kid down the street to mow your lawn? How many parents "reward" their kids for good grades?

As it turns out, you completely got the story wrong anyway.

Gator_Dad · Mar 28, 2011 at 2:36 PM

i can pay a college pitcher to mow my lawn and she doesnt lose her status. i can pay her for a pitching lesson and she doesnt lose her status but if she takes money from a business to give lessons she loses her status. the rule is a fine line and helping with expenses is one thing but to actually hand a kid 500 bucks cash money to come and play on a team will cost her a chance to play in college.

by your argument to this you obviously have a kid involved or are the coach. i certainly hope this isnt the case but you need to make sure the kids and parents involved know the risk.

not all kids will play in college but trying to figure out which ones will or wont at the age of 12 is poor judgement. why strip them of the chance before they ever know?

not smart

cmmguy · Mar 28, 2011 at 3:26 PM

Gator_Dad said: ↑

i can pay a college pitcher to mow my lawn and she doesnt lose her status. i can pay her for a pitching lesson and she doesnt lose her status but if she takes money from a business to give lessons she loses her status. the rule is a fine line and helping with expenses is one thing but to actually hand a kid 500 bucks cash money to come and play on a team will cost her a chance to play in college.

by your argument to this you obviously have a kid involved or are the coach. i certainly hope this isnt the case but you need to make sure the kids and parents involved know the risk.

not all kids will play in college but trying to figure out which ones will or wont at the age of 12 is poor judgement. why strip them of the chance before they ever know?

not smart
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This is the 2nd time you missed the point. But at least your didnt foolishly wave your "Owned" banner this time.

softballfan99 · Mar 28, 2011 at 9:13 PM

Paying Players ??

Well, I do agree to helping others, but the true of the matter is , in WNC we all know who this guy is he has tried to steal everyone's players now this !! We are all keeping an eye on this guy some of you are missing the point he just wants to win !! And the money he is offering was donated so we will see !!!

ucballer · Mar 29, 2011

Double $$$$

Well if he doubles the amount than maybe he can pull kids from other states to come and play ball on his team.I always thought the harder you worked the better your team got.Just because you have money to throw away doesn't mean the players will gel or play well together.Also if anyone does go for this I guess a smart thing to do is have a contract agreement written up.If there are any 99 players looking for a good agent this guy can prob set you up with one of them alsMG we are talking about 99's!!!!

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