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All Conference Selections

Discussion in 'Softball Forum' started by cheeze105, May 6, 2006.

  1. EastOfRaleigh

    EastOfRaleigh Full Access Member

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    agree & disagree

    should not put the majority of decision on stats, with some of the shoddy scorekeeping I've seen (example: hits vs. errors to pad BA's). I saw a game the other day ; final was 3-2 , a tightly contested game. The newspaper linescore the next day showed 21 hits in the game; no way!!
    No way should they give the most selections automatically to the top finisher. & should the bottom team get one regardless? no.
     
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    All-Conference Selections

    I have seen it first hand where coaches sit in a room at the end of a season placing their players on a board for which that coach feels are most deserving of All-Conference at that position. Then, when several players are posted from several different teams, all of the confeerence coaches vote to determine the winners. This is, in a lot of cases, a farce! So many politics play out, anger prevails from one coach to the next, jealousy and in the end, the players suffer and the All-Conference team is not fair. I have also seen teams earn a certain number of All-Conference slots based on their finish in the conference. Then each individual coach determines who makes the cut on their team. Both systerms, at least in the meetings I have attended, are usually far from accurate. I personally do not like either system. I think in the system where the individual coach decides with a predetermined number of slots, fewer deserving players are left out, but it also allows for more underserving players to make it as well! So if I had to choose between the two, I would choose this one.
     
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    Let the girls decide

    I have been to these all-conference meetings and it is more politics than any thing. I say let the girls decide all conference. Most of the girls that play against one another know who should be selected. They play the game, let them make the selections.
     
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    Absolutely Not


    Sure, there are some girls who would vote for the most deserving, however, in our experiences over the years it is usually a popularity contest and the girls choose their friends first.
     
  5. cheeze105

    cheeze105 Moderator Staff Member

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    How about this

    you know, the biggest problem with using stats is that some teams just cant keep a good book, and others . . . . well you know, pump things up. how about taking 10 minutes after the game and compare scorebooks between teams, to agree or disagree about hits, errors, stolen bases, k's, so that everyone's book is close to the same. if you have a disputed call that cannot be resolved this way, the home team has the official book and that is how it has to stay. copies of the scoresheets can be forwarded to the conference commitee on a weekly basis. your opinions please
     
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    Verified books for quality stats

    Excellent suggestion Cheese! Submitting the game stats at the end of each game would eliminate any "grading on the curve" that might occur late in the season to help a "good kid" out. This process would certainly validate the selection process. You just have to trust those you submit your stats to. :grouphug: If the group of coaches at the end of the season could agree to weigh stats along with sportsmanship, leadership and overall contribution of the players, well...maybe.

    It does appear in some conferences the current system overlooks girls very deserving of this recognition!
     
  7. cheeze105

    cheeze105 Moderator Staff Member

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    my God, isn't that the truth, will explain later.
     
  8. nc2aump

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    All Conference

    Let me just say that I sat in on the AC selections for the MECCA 6 this year and have to say that politics did not figure into it. The coaches sat and discussed the merits of the players nominated and all the people in the room were in agreement. To penalize a player because they do not finish on the top teams is what will happen if you did a pre-determined number of slots from each team. As we discussed in our meeting, the politics of this selection has to be omitted. Everyone agreed that it is in the best interest of the players to be completely hinest in these selections. Now I must admit that meetings that I have attended in the past were highly political, but thankfully this year was the exception. I think we all should put personal differences aside, this not only is meant for the schools and their respective coaches, but for the parents, this is where most of the hard feelings come into it. The attitude that "my daughter is better than your daughter" has got to be eliminated and let's get back to remembering that they are still young ladies and someones daughter and they just want to play the sport. Let's do what we need to do to help them.
     
  9. cheeze105

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    I'm really glad to hear that someone out there is doing this with discussion and without politics. This is a minority case. be thankful. from the pm's that i have received, most conference selections seem to be a joke because of politics. this needs to change. I have been told of a situation where a fifth place team actually had twice as many selections for all conference than the second place team had. doesnt seem right. stat's are where everyone seems to be pointing, the problem is getting honest stats. no school system can afford to pay a scorekeeper per game, so we have to do this among ourselves. We also need to eliminate the coaches who are there to "get as many of my girls on all conference no matter what". this will, and does eliminate some that really deserve to be on this team. I have some horror stories about this, but I've been asked to wait until all conference was announced to not damage the possibilities of these girls being elected, and will do so. It's time for change.
     
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    I agree that is time for a change but do you really think that will happen in our lifetime. I don't it will. I am not talking just about all conference selections but also playing time!!! I guarantee that all of us can name kids that got to be starters or just a lot more playing time because of who their parents are. This is not the fault of the kid but I can tell you that there are hard feelings between everyone. Some may not know the hard feelings but they are there. This has been going of as long as team sports has been played. I just tell these kids that are getting abused that hey this is life and someone will always get something they don't deserve so they better just grin and bear it.
     

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