College World Series- UNC

Class Post Andro,,, and btw good to hear from you again, hope all's well with you. And btw, I'm also used to "old-school" coaching, and I was impressed with the Rice coach. Look at the time he went out there yelling and arguing that balk call, but when he asked the umpire "why did you call that?" and the umpire explained why,,, the coach calmly said "well I can't argue with that" and he turned around and headed back to the dugout.

To those who think that 2-strike outside pitch was too far outside,,, I will admit it was outside, but to be honest even looking at the NUMEROUS replays they showed while the announcers were whining, the pitcher hit the catcher's mitt, there was no framing necessary by the catcher, and I guess I have just seen worse, because I agree with those that with 2 strikes, I would've expected that All-American to be fouling that pitch off in that situation if he didn't like it. I was more nervous about UNC pitching to that kid with 1st base open, but I thought the call was consistent with what you see many times. Don't throw rocks, just my opinion.

Good Luck Heels...

 

Andro is right on the money....

I think you need to decide if you are being an obnoxious Carolina fan gloating about a victory before you have really one the big one, or are you guys on this thread real fans of the game who love college baseball and what it brings to people and represents to millions.

Anyone who thinks Wayne Graham is an idiot or stupid or wants to discuss what you think he told his players in the dugout, braves should kick you off this board and you guys can go hang out by yourselves in your own idiot box.

Who are any of you to sit around and discuss Wayne Graham. He is one of the best people and coaches in college sports and all of baseball. Most of the people use this board to talk and discuss about different points of the greatest game in the world. Then there are others who need to quit because you don't know JACK about baseball or have any respect for the game.

congrats to the players and coaches and parents involved with the UNC program! Now go win one instead of "imploding" again like you did last year.


And by the way tj21

it is obvious you haven't hit in a long time. just because a guy is an all-American doesn't mean he can foul pitches off at will. That's why he is an all-american because he swings at strikes. do you teach your kids to swing at pitches over their head even though they don't like it just in case the umpire blows a call. This isn't video game ball there are real players out there and when a pitcher throws 90 MPH a foot off the plate no good hitter would "fight it off" just to make sure the umpire doesn't screw up. I bet you root for carolina over there in your make believe baseball world don't you.

 

Im a Heels fan

let me make that clear. But I just can not agree about that call. No way a hitter should be trying to foul off a pitch in the other batters box. I dont care what the count is or the situation is. That pitch was so far off the plate any good hitter is not even going to offer at it. Fed didnt frame it because there was no need to frame it. You dont frame pitches that are that far off the plate. It was not consistent with other pitches called strikes "just" off the plate. It was a horrible call. Its a moot point because its over. UNC deserved to win and they did. I hate to see any kid get screwed like that in the batters box especially in a situation like that. Regardless of who you are pulling for its a fact that the call was ridiculous.

Now I have a question for all of you that watch the games. Carigan is throwing 93-94 almost all fb's. He does not look like he has a ton of movement on the ball. Why are so many of these guys having such a hard time hitting him? Especially since they know they are getting fb and they are obviously sitting on it. What do you think?

 

That is a great question

Lefty and I were talking about this last night.

Here is my take...

He throws his fastball in four different spots. Down and in, Up and in, Down and away, and up and away. They act like four different pitches. He has great trajectory on his fastball. He is not tall, but creates a tremendous downward plane on his fastball. That sets up his high FB. Because of that plane on both FB's down he throws that one up that just rides on the same plane. He gets so many swings and misses.

For a hard thrower he has outstanding command. He does toss in a little changeup too. Not too often, but I guarantee that the hitter knows that he has it in his back pocket.

With shorter guys that are hard throwers I have always believed that the ball jumps halfway to the plate as well. A good way of saying life on his FB. It's almost like an optical illusion. Short guy steps on the mound poof, by you.

My opinion

 

said same thing exactly

 

Guys,,,, look, Carolina "got" a call on the called strike. I "SAID" the pitch was outside, I even said I didn't like Carolina even pitching to that kid with 1st base open in that situation, I have respect for that kid, didn't intend to slam him whatsoever.

But here's a news flash. ITS OVER. That one call didn't decide the outcome of the game. Yes maybe the kid would've hit a bomb and tied the game, but then who knows, given different circumstances, Carolina may have won it another way. Excuse me for saying I have seen much worse calls.

Jeez,,,, make believe baseball world??? Olefty, put down your shotgun, I only offered my opinion.

 

I was wondering about the called strikes on both teams that seemed to be about 6 inches off the ground. But, the ump was consistent with it. Both teams knew what he had been calling all night, you can't expect to win with the bat on your shoulders. One call never decides a game though. Congratulations to both teams and good luck Carolina in the National Championship.

 

isnt it odd how the personal insults begin to fly from those poised to impose their more learned view. i have met a few of you on here and i can attest to the fact that guys like tj are as good a people as i know. arguing balls and strikes is nothing new. we've all been on both sides of the call. but at the end of the day you grab your gear and get back on the bus. my point was that it was annoying to hear the announcers go on about it the entire bottom half of the inning. i respect them both but i didnt care for their soap box antics regardless of how they felt. it smacked a little too much of of tim mccarver to me. boy, do i miss harold reynolds about now.

 

Thats all funny...

good win for Carolina...

btw ... why is all the college baseball threads in the preps section and not in the next level section with womens softball.. just askin'

 

Some nerves were touched in this thread. The thing is that I like and admire all of you guys and enjoy your opinions.

About the strike zone. I, too, thought it was a bit inconsistent, particularly the low pitch. One inning the shoestrings were in the zone, another inning the knees were not..but that's baseball and teams must adjust In that one particular play involving Savery, I thought that Fed-Ex did an outstanding job jumping out and framing the pitch (didn't say it was a strike).

A comment I thought was interesting was from Kyle Peterson. He said it was the umpires fault for the HP's...calling the waaaay outside pitch a strike, forcing the hitter to crowd the plate. But then he said the umps won't give the pitchers the inside strike either, so the batters aren't moving off the plate.