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Runner on 1st, ball hit to ss, thrown to 2b, 2b turns and throws to 1st, ball hits runner in helmet 5 feet from 2b, no slide standing straight up. Whats your call.

Bases loaded no outs, bottom 8th tie ball game, we are visiting team. They hit long fly ball to center which is caught over the shoulder. Runner on 3rd tags, runners on 1st and 2nd do not. We relay ball to 2b then 1st. What is your call.

Runner on 1st ball hit to 2b in the line, runner collides with 2b as she catches ball, (I never seen a tag but umpire called her out) 2b finishes the play (runner called safe at first) didnt' knock her down on collision but redirected her rout to throw the ball to first.) What is your call

We was the defensive team on these plays. All happening today in a double header. We won the 1st 3-1 and second game 6-3

 

I haven't umpired in several years so my rules knowledge is not what it used to be, but I will take a shot.....

1st play: I would call interference on the runner> since they did effect the play (not getting out of the way of the play), A double play can be awarded. It can only be called interference if the throw is made. If the secondbaseman or shortstop had not made a throw, there is no interference. That is why you hardly ever see the interference call made.

2nd play: Gesh! I would definitely have to get a casebook for that. The 2nd and 3rd outs come on appeal (basically). I believe that the run does not count, but I am probably wrong on that one.

3rd play: I believe we have interference there too. The runner must allow the defensive player to make an unabated attempt at the ball. Contacting a fielder in that sense can be ruled as interference.

Would really help if I saw it. If I can get my hands on a rulebook and/or casebook, I will edit my responses but these are my first reactions.

 

my beliefs, and what they called

1st case they called nothing and let runner at 1st go to second because ball rolled to right. I thought interference and protested the call and umpire would not change his call even after getting rule book out.

2nd case called a triple play but I dont know if that is the right call because I thought it was a timed play not a force. So if the run scored before the out was made at 1st then the run should count and we would have lost.

3rd case they called nothing. Once again I questioned the no call and he plainly said nothing. No answer, no reasoning just wasn't interference. I thought interference. Where can you find a case book? I have a rule book but it doesn't explain some of the questionable stuff.

 

forgot this play

After the triple play in the 8th, we score 2 runs in top of ninth. Bottom of ninth they put the runner that was out at 1st on second, because of the international tie-breaker, we are calling pitch out because this is the wrong person on second. Umpire never puts ball in play and walks over and tells 3rd base coach that the runner on second is an illegal player and he needs to put the last batter in. Does the umpire have the responsibility to do this.

 

Absolutely no place for the ump to get involved....
I would document it and make sure his assignor/superior is aware.
Ump would never work any of my games again..

 

My take...
1. no call.... live ball off her head...
2. Timed play.... run counts if she crosses plate before the outs were made
3. Interference on runner, dead ball. she is out, batter/runner safe at first

 

Sounds like...

that you have the same umpires on the weekends that we have at the high school during the week!! CLUELESS!!

 

i might agree but

We would have lost the game if the umpires would have made the right call on the triple play. So I guess they were consistent, consistently bad.

 

About #2 ? ...is this situation considered.....

....a force play? I tend to agree with you here that the "timing issue" fronts the force play gig. Just asking?.....

....and #1, I'll bet she won't slide next time!!!!, call or no call!

 

It is not a force play... it is a timing play....
Softball, like Baseball is very logical.... just because 2 of the 3
base runners went brain dead, doesn't penalize the one that didn't...

The rules are designed to assume you play within them.
When the runners on 1st and 2nd left without tagging up, they
became subject to a time play.. which in simple terms, means they
have a certain time to get back to the bag they left early, before the defense returns the ball to the bag...


It has nothing to do with a force out... They are made on ground balls.

The runner on 3rd, tagging up properly, is allowed to score, by a legal tag and run.