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Discussion in 'The Next Level' started by EastOfRaleigh, Jun 6, 2008.

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Jun 9, 2008 at 9:41 AM #11

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the Polk situation

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Coach Polk decided he was going to retire. He selected his successor to replace him ( a courtesy extended to ALL successful coaches that retire) and told everyone involved, including the person that eventually will replace him of his decision. He thought it was a done deal. But something happened behind the scenes and politics was played. It totally embarrassed the Hall of Fame coach.

...and I expect that when Bobby Bowden decides to step away, he will decide who replaces him. It's a common courtesy
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I really don't know the time line of how all this coach "search" and new AD actually transpired at MSU, although I did look back on their website and could not find where Polk had ever "named" Tommy Raffo as the coach. I know it's all about respect and I agree with that, but hadn't you better make darn sure that the administrators are in agreement and everything's offiicial before you go out on a limb and select your successor. People's families and lives are at risk. Something's not right here and Braves I agree this will get ugly before it's resolved.

AND Bowden's successor has been named...........it's Jimbo Fisher. Official.
Jun 9, 2008 at 9:57 AM #12

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Whenever a new basketball coach is selected at UCLA, John Wooden is still consulted and I suspect his advice is taken.

Dean Smith- same thing
Coach K (when he retires)- I suspect same thing
Ron Frazier- Ex-Miami coach- same thing

I could go on and on, but when a successful coach retires, he always has his successor selected...and in this case, Coach Polk thought he did as well. You guys are pointing your responses in the wrong direction, so let's see if I can change your opinion. It's not about being "bigger than the game", it's about respect.

Coach Polk decided he was going to retire. He selected his successor to replace him ( a courtesy extended to ALL successful coaches that retire) and told everyone involved, including the person that eventually will replace him of his decision. He thought it was a done deal. But something happened behind the scenes and politics was played. It totally embarrassed the Hall of Fame coach.

When Dean Smith selected Guthridge to replace him and told all parties involved of his decision everything was fine. But what would have happened if a new AD came in and told Smith, after the fact, that not only was he choosing someone else, but was selecting a coach (a former player) that Smith had already discussed who and why Guthridge was selected. It would have undermined Smith's integrity, respect and everything he has done for the University. If you don't think Dean Smith wouldn't have been angry, hurt and upset, than there is nothing I can say that would change your understanding. But then again, this wouldn't and didn't happen to Smith, to Wooden, to Frazier, to Dideaux, to Frank McGuire, to Vince Dooley...and I expect that when Bobby Bowden decides to step away, he will decide who replaces him. It's a common courtesy
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A very successful Bill Willhelm retired from Clemson and was allowed to pick his successor. He chose Jack Leggett and it worked very well (depsite the record from this year).

Leggett coached under Willhelm for a year and then was elevated to the head coach.
Jun 9, 2008 at 11:42 AM #13

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EastOfRaleigh said: ↑

I know it's all about respect and I agree with that, but hadn't you better make darn sure that the administrators are in agreement and everything's offiicial before you go out on a limb and select your successor.
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He thought it was approved. But there is nothing else I can say that I haven't already, so I'll move on.
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He thought it was approved. But there is nothing else I can say that I haven't already, so I'll move on.
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Reading comments by MSU fans on a couple of boards it appears the MSU supporters are embarrassed by Polk and his ego.
Jun 9, 2008 at 12:22 PM #15

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uh-huh

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Reading comments by MSU fans on a couple of boards it appears the MSU supporters are embarrassed by Polk and his ego.
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yes I saw the same thing.
Jun 9, 2008 at 6:05 PM #16

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If you want to believe that message board posts are a credible source to get accurate information, then Mike Fox would have been fired 3 years ago.

In fairness, I saw some posts that said they were embarrassed and i read some posts that were in support.

The situation has become so tenuous that there is no chance for a positive ending.
Jun 9, 2008 at 9:01 PM #17

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PROGRAMS built by PREMIERE.....

Braves said: ↑

Whenever a new basketball coach is selected at UCLA, John Wooden is still consulted and I suspect his advice is taken.

Dean Smith- same thing
Coach K (when he retires)- I suspect same thing
Ron Frazier- Ex-Miami coach- same thing

I could go on and on, but when a successful coach retires, he always has his successor selected...and in this case, Coach Polk thought he did as well. You guys are pointing your responses in the wrong direction, so let's see if I can change your opinion. It's not about being "bigger than the game", it's about respect.

Coach Polk decided he was going to retire. He selected his successor to replace him ( a courtesy extended to ALL successful coaches that retire) and told everyone involved, including the person that eventually will replace him of his decision. He thought it was a done deal. But something happened behind the scenes and politics was played. It totally embarrassed the Hall of Fame coach.

When Dean Smith selected Guthridge to replace him and told all parties involved of his decision everything was fine. But what would have happened if a new AD came in and told Smith, after the fact, that not only was he choosing someone else, but was selecting a coach (a former player) that Smith had already discussed who and why Guthridge was selected. It would have undermined Smith's integrity, respect and everything he has done for the University. If you don't think Dean Smith wouldn't have been angry, hurt and upset, than there is nothing I can say that would change your understanding. But then again, this wouldn't and didn't happen to Smith, to Wooden, to Frazier, to Dideaux, to Frank McGuire, to Vince Dooley...and I expect that when Bobby Bowden decides to step away, he will decide who replaces him. It's a common courtesy
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....coaches MUST rely on the retiring coach to perpetuate the programs success. This idea aint' new folks, nor is it a slam in the face of the future coach. Transition means EVERYTHING. Braves said that when Dean left Bill Gtuthridege was in line for the coaching job, and he certainly paid is dues to get there. But Guths hiring was only to appease folks. Hell, I'll bet 'ol Bill could have cared less about being the head coach after Dean left. But the passing of the baton from a legend to his asst. was handled with class at UNC....(the other STATE Univ.). It seems to me that the same respect should have been granted to RP. I'm sure he didn't leave the program at a time when his roster was hurting for talent. Lastly, some ADs have an ego way bigger than the coaches they employ.....I guess that comes from growing up being a team manager, who never could hit a fastball. .............so he learned to wash socks and now the rest of the athletes work for him....go figure! Marlin, Centerfielder, who can't spell TIDE.
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....coaches MUST rely on the retiring coach to perpetuate the programs success. This idea aint' new folks, nor is it a slam in the face of the future coach. Transition means EVERYTHING. Braves said that when Dean left Bill Gtuthridege was in line for the coaching job, and he certainly paid is dues to get there. But Guths hiring was only to appease folks. Hell, I'll bet 'ol Bill could have cared less about being the head coach after Dean left. But the passing of the baton from a legend to his asst. was handled with class at UNC....(the other STATE Univ.). It seems to me that the same respect should have been granted to RP. I'm sure he didn't leave the program at a time when his roster was hurting for talent. Lastly, some ADs have an ego way bigger than the coaches they employ.....I guess that comes from growing up being a team manager, who never could hit a fastball. .............so he learned to wash socks and now the rest of the athletes work for him....go figure! Marlin, Centerfielder, who can't spell TIDE.
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You da man, Jeff

Listen, with Landon getting ready for college, I hope your contributions to TBR won't change
Jun 10, 2008 at 8:52 PM #19

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My name is Marlin...

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You da man, Jeff

Listen, with Landon getting ready for college, I hope your contributions to TBR won't change
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....and I'm not da man,....I'm da FISHMAN. TBR is gonna have to put up with me for a little while longer! ....
Jun 11, 2008 at 1:05 PM #20

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mellowing out.....maybe?

This situation has been interesting to follow, if you enjoy and appreciate college sports. See link below. Sounds as if cooler heads are now beginning to prevail; hopefully this matter will have an good ending for all concerned.

http://djbulldogs.wordpress.com/

But there is an issue that is disturbing. He mentions having an office next to the new coach, and helping with practice, etc., etc. I mean I know this goes on with "legend" coaches, but isn't there a fine line between helping and meddling? I read that Coach Polk's life has literally been MSU baseball; apparently he never married and has no siblings........he lives and breathes it 24/7.

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