ITB Scoring Question

When playing International Tie Breaker (ITB), if the runner placed on second scores on a base hit, is that run earned or unearned?

I know two ways you can look at this. First, since the runner was placed at 2nd and the pitcher did not allow her there by a base hit, the run is unearned. However another way to look at this is if the pitcher gives up the hit that allows the run to score, the run could be considered earned.

What is the correct scoring?

 

Earned....

assuming that the defensive team does nothing to make it unearned....

It is a speed up rule, with both teams given the same opportunity and advantage.

If the pitcher strikes out the first two and then an error that would have recorded the 3rd out occurs and the run scores, then unearned..

A Sac bunt and a base hit, earned

 

great question... the pitcher was not really responsible for the runner being on second base so in a pure sense I am not sure if that runner scores absent an error ensuing how it can count against their ERA. For example, if there was a pitching change and the runner scored on a base hit off a new pitcher that run is attributed to the first pitcher. Pitchers are only responsible for runners not for hits that score runners as far as their ERA is concerned.

However, I am not sure how else it could be scored assuming no errors and the same pitcher all the time.

 

Ben,
Adding to what the coach said.

From NCAA Scoring Rules
14.24.2 When a runner who began the inning on second base during the
tiebreaker scores and the pitcher is held accountable for all bases gained,
score the run as earned but charge it to the team total and not to the
individual.

I just dont understand the this part. Does this mean that it does not go against the pitcher's ERA?? Based on the the ITB rule it should not be charge to the pitcher.

14.30 Tiebreaker Rule
14.30.1 A run scored by the player starting as a runner at second base shall
be charged to the defensive team and not the pitcher. Whether a run
scored by any other player shall be charged to the pitcher is up to the
judgment of the official scorer.

 

Scorekeeper has to understand how rule is applied

This can be the trouble... scorekeeper must know how to designate it.

Stat Crew software actually takes it into effect if programed correctly.
Computers are only as good as the person who set them up...
kinda like softball players...

 

this is simple

If the run is earned, meaning comes in without the help of an error, the run goes against the team ERA and should be placed in a seperate catagory for stats. Under pitchers, you put in TEAM and that is where the earned run goes. It does not go against the pitcher. That is all they are saying.

Therefore to answer your question, it can be an earned run, just not against the pitcher of record.

Ty

 

Thanks for the explanations. But what would be other examples of a team earned run or an earned run that would not count against the pitcher?

 

Team ER

The only other example that would come to mind would be an intentional walk in slow pitch softball, since the coach notifies the unpire to put her own and no pitches are actually thrown.

I know there are some ABC fastpiptch associations that allow you to intentionally walk a batter with pitching to them. I have heard.

Any time a runner is placed on a base without the pitcher having a part of it. Thus the ITB runner not counting.

This was or is an issue in baseball and is probably covered somewhere, but as a pitcher, I would not want any intentional walk counted against me since that is a coaches decision.

Ty