All-State Teams?

Does anyone know when the all-state teams for public high schools are typically announced?

 

Nobody has answered you so I asked our coaches and was told it would be after all the teams were done playing.

 

Thanks OnePutt. I like that because it should take into account the players' performances in the playoffs, although our team didn't make it in.

 

Please don't take this to the bank because there are people here that are much closaer to this than me, but all-conference, all-area stuff doesn't get announced until all teams in a conference are done playing. Not because they consider post season performance but because coaches have said they don't want distractions while they are still playing. I get this only from 3 different HS coaches as well as some football coaches. It could be different somewhere else. As to all-state, they may consider post season performance. I do not know. Sometimes it gets leaked out before teams have completed play. I was told conference and area recognition has been decided in our area. Sorry I can not be of more help.

 

Speaking of all conferance

Can someone who is close to this process. Please explain: It would be good to get it out there. What items are used. Popular vote, stats, how far they went in the playoff or is it a form list of players and vote for a certin number. You know what they really use.

 

One Putt is exactly right about All State and Conference selections

The criteria in selecting for All Conference are done differently between conferences, but believe me.....you don't want to know.

 

WOW!!!!!!

You two are playing so nice in the sandbox.

 

Braves, not sure how to interpret that comment?
Are you bashing some conferences criteria or you saying there is different methods to the madness?

 

Bashing? I'm not sure that's the word. What I am saying is each conference decides how they want to conduct their votes. There is no system that is universally used. The many systems that are used are frustrating for coaches, so you can imagine how it can open the doors for ridicule. For example, a coach may not even attend the meeting because none of his players will be nominated. Another coach holds a grudge against another so he won't vote for his players, etc, etc. Does this happen in every conference? No. But if you have a system for selection that is open for biases, deal making (I'll vote for yours, if you vote for mine) and grudges, then it opens itself up for criticism.

Personally, I think the All Conference selections is very important and should be treated as such. I don't like the idea that every team must have a player represented (not all conferences have this rule), but after spending many years trying to think of a better way or different people voting, I can't come up with a better alternative.

The State games selection process may need some tweaking (opening more regions in a heavily populated area), but the All Conference selections needs an explosion to correct its inherent problems. Although most coaches publically will say they don't know of a better way to select, most will tell you in private that the process is frustrating.

 

An example

is all I can offer. I coached in two different conferences. Each conference has rules set forth and they can not be changed that year when the all conference selections are made. So you go in knowing what the rules are and then you have to work within those rules at least that season.

The last conference I coached in worked like this. Each coach can nominate as many players as he likes for all conference from his team. But he can not vote for any of his players. There are 20 all conference selections. The top 20 vote getters make all conf. The top vote getters that do not make all conference are selected as honorable mention for all conference.

So each coach has his opportunity to present his nominations to the rest of the coaches. It can be something as simple as "You guys know Joe Smith. He played 3rd and pitched for us. I dont think any of you can deny he was one of the best players in the conference this year." Or it can be something like this "Joe Smith hit .453 in conference this season with 4 hrs and 19 rbis. He had the game winning hit in three of our conference wins and he led us on and off the field. He hit .425 for the season with 31 rbis. He was leader in the dugout and was very important to our team success this season." etc etc. Some coaches will have a sheet with all the players he nominates on it with detailed stats for each player in conf and out of conf. He then will pass them out to the other coaches. Some will just get up and say who he has nominated and why. Some will just say "Jimmy and Joey and you guys know they are two of the best." It just depends on the coach.

So the bottom line is sometimes kids get shafted. Some coaches do a great job presenting facts and working for the kids that deserve it. Some coaches present flat out bogus stats and nominate so many players from their team that a deserving player ends up not making it. And some could careless and dont even bother to show up.

Your kidding yourself if you think you can ensure that every deserving player makes it. Thats what you hope for and thats what most are trying to do but there is no perfect way to do this. The obvious top players are going to make it. But its those other 4 or 5 picks at the end of the list that seem to get a little shaky at times.

Voting for all conference is done as soon as the last game of the regular season is over. Playoff performance is not considered because the votes are in before the playoffs. They are not released until every team in the conference is done for the year.