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I have noticed there are a good number of girls, like the young lady below who is heading to Kentucky, that sign and play with out of state schools. First, congratulations to them all! It does raise a question for me though.

What is the average percentage scholly are these girls being offered? When it came to my son's decision of where to play baseball, it boiled down to two schools, one in state and one out of state. In the end he chose the in state school because even though the "percentage" was lower, the actual remaining cost was about $12,000 less per year due to the expense of out of state tuition.

I know there is a much better potential for larger schollys in softball verses baseball because of roster sizes. Is this why we see more NC girls head "across the border"? Also, if this is true, then that could explain the number of "foreigners" playing at our state supported schools.

 

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First of all do your homework, when on an official visit to the college of your choice find out how much money is still available on the table in state or out of state. Encourage your kid to keep her grades up, because there is usually more academic monies available than athlectic monies offered . Look into scholarships from local to state wide, you would be interested to know there are some funky free money out there if you get on the internet and surf. I know in our case we were well pleased what Bek got offered,and she loves the coaching staff ,and the girls. That is the key does the school offer your major,and do you like the team that you will be playing on? Remember everybody that plays college ball does not get money. If you get a scholarship just enjoy it, and work hard remembering somebody else is paying for your college. Always respect that if nothing else...

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Some out of state school can offer in-state tuition to out of state athletes as part of the draw. If a kid is a difference maker, there maybe a large sum of money for that out of state player. Kentucky is probably a fully funded softball program and therefore has a number of scholarships that can be divided for instate kids and open up dollars that may otherwise not be available. Also, the draw of a name like Kentucky and the wonderful education it can provide could steer a kid away from home. This kid can play and I know will do well in the blue grass state.
Hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving and hope to see ya next summer.

 

Different Universities do not have the same numbers of shollys, I would think that in the SEC all would have the same #'s (dont know the number, could be from 11 to 14) so it is possible that ever player on a rooster could be on full ride. makes no difference whether in state our or out.
I know when the Univ. of Memphis started up there program they only had seven available for the first two years. that number has grown by quite a bit now.
What I am saying is, if the Young lady is on a full ride to a D1 school, the cost to the parent will be the same. Now whether the player is on a full ride, in state or out of state, that is a different question, at a lot of schools that difference can be made up by Pell grant money.
I do not know the exact process that detemines whether a player qualifies for Pell money just know it is available to some..
But it is alway less expensive for a Univ. to sigh in state player rather than out of state.
I have often wondered if the budget that a program has, (say softball)whether the in state are out state dollars has to be reflected and included in there budget. If so, then that is just one more reason to recruit in state..

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Boy, this is a complex subject. There are so many variables involved. Some schools are down in their enrollment and have offered to waive out of state fees to gain more students.

Revenue producing sports make their case to go after the best athlete regardless of residence proving the loss of out of state fees are more than made up by revenue generated by these athletes..and the more success of the program the more revenue is generated...plus in most cases the booster clubs raise the money to offset the difference in tuition.

The non-revenue sports is a far different story. NC public schools can not exceed the 18% of total student population, and since the sports are not revenue producing there are those that argue they shouldn't have any out of state student athletes. However, this is a bit misleading because not all student athlete's OOS tuition is waived. Many students from certain parts of the country find the southern schools tuition favorable compared to their in state schools. So if a coach lands an OOS athlete that is paying full tuition (minus their athletic scholly)---more money for the school.

Full tuition is what OOS students pay. In state tuition is discounted because of lottery money and other state subsidies. The purpose of the discounts is the state government believing most graduates will remain in state and pay their taxes here.

AD's decide how they will spend the athletic money. If they are proponents of college softball and want to build or maintain a great program, their softball program will receive more money...otherwise they will only do what is required. And if a program has a booster club---wow, they can do a lot more than others.

In conclusion, I believe all state supported schools for their non revenue sports should only recruit in state students; but I imagine most coaches in state would be concerned about their job by those restrictions.

 

....first, the number of schollys MAX is 11 1/2 to be divided over the entire roster. The same goes for baseball. So theres no way all kids on the roster will have "full rides".
2nd, there are some d1 schools that are not fully funded. UNCW is one of them. It puts the coach/program at a disadvantage.
3rd, Blues is right about some schools do allow in-state tuition to out of state student athletes.
4th, Wndmllr can post of how $ is distributed at D2 D3, JC and how a kids grades, SAT scores etc. play a big role. These programs are strong, the schools academics are challenging and very well respected, as they should be, but they operate a bit different when it comes to the basis of how $ is given to the players.
5th, Happy Thanksgiving!

Fish

 

....with respect to the poster and the volatile nature of the word segregation, if state supported schools were ever mandated by the NCAA to recruit only in their own back yard....WHEW!!!!!!

You're right Braves, this is a very complex issue.

Happy Turkeyday to all my TBR family.

JDub

 

actually... DI softball is 12 and baseball is 11.7. The big difference is roster sizes.
Softball, with 17 to 21 players verses baseball with 30 to 35 (of which only 27 can be receiving athletic money), theoretically should offer larger percentage schollys. Baseball does require a minimum of 25% per athlete who is offered athletic money.

The level of funding is the "x" factor at each school. Bigger schools, especially those with football, have a better chance of being fully funded. Obviously UNC-W, UNC-G and UNC- Charlotte don't have that "football factor".

In response to what Braves said (as quoted in the "fishy" post above) maybe the non revenue sports at state supported schools should be held to the same percentages as the regular student population. Let the revenue sports, football and men's basketball, recruit their "moneymakers" from anywhere so as to keep the cash flow coming from boosters and alumni. This isn't "PC" but it could be good business! If nothing else, you wouldn't see a roster with more "island girls" than "Carolina girls" like a certain school down east.

 

Title IX

The biggest difference in football vs non-football schools are the equity requirements of Title IX. Schools with football teams have to invest equivalent dollars in women's schollies. Those schools are far more likely to fully fund female sports . . . . yes, they have more $$ but they also have no choice.

In-state quotas for recruiting? Not likely.

 

Carolina Girls . . . . not!

Check out this roster. Remember Winthrop is a PUBLIC university just like UNCG, USC and UNC.

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