You make the Call...continued...

......Leftie batter steps out of the front of the box, hits the ball to 3B, BAM! Ump call her out. Now next time up, the batter scratches out the front of the box.

Whats up?

(BTW, the ump did not like her disrespect)

Then, the same batter attempts to slap a pitch, steps out of the box and is actually in front of the plate, WHIFF, no contact, and the ump calls her out.

You make the call.

Marlin

 

1st one is correct call

intenitionally wiping out the baters box line should have a penalty but i dont think it does

missing while you were out of the box again isnt actually an infraction so should just be a strike.

my intent was to do 90 but i was only doing 55 so i dont get a ticket.

 

Call on what?? Stepping [one foot completely on the ground) out of the box is an out. Do you mean what is the call for erasing the line? I think you get a strike called on you for erasing a line on the field if you are on offense.

 

No contact means strike one. The ball must be batted in fair terriorty to be called out

 

I see what you mean by CONTACT. I missed that nuance. I wonder why it matters.
Again, this may depend on Association and HS/ASA/NSA could be different.

NCAA:
11.2.5 At the moment of bat-ball contact, the batter may not contact the pitch
when any part of the foot is touching home plate, even though she may
be touching the lines of the batter’s box. In addition, the batter may not
contact the pitch when an entire foot is touching the ground completely
outside the lines of the batter’s box.
EFFECT—The batter shall be declared out immediately, whether the
ball is fair or foul. The ball is dead.

 

NFHS (High School) is the only organization that I know of that has a penalty for erasing the batter's box... and that is a strike. Not much of a penalty.

And I don't know of a ruleset that specifies where the ball must go after contact with a bat held by a batter with a foot out of the box for it to be an out.

 

incorrect

any swing with "contact" (fair or foul) with either foot completely out of the box, is an out.

a swing and a miss, is just a strike....

 

It doesn't really make sense to me why anyone would want to erase the batter's box lines. With the lines in place a batter can be much farther up in the box and still stay within the lines without the umpire calling her out of the box.

If the lines are erased it's strictly umpire's judgment; without the lines a batter appears to be out of the box if they even get close to stepping out.

An average HS batter can stand with their back foot aligned with the front of home plate, take a fairly long stride and still be in the box. But if you do that without the lines it definitely looks like you're out of the box.

I'd rather see a rule where the lines have to be replaced if they are erased than to depend on an umpire's judgment. How long could that take, 3 minutes?

 

im all for redrawing the lines.

problem is the umps dont usually call the out of the box on a swing anyway (course could just be our locals dont KNOW its illegal)

 

For those of you who want umpires to call this every time it happens...

Get yourself a field, a pitcher, a catcher and a batter. Place the players in their normal positions for an at bat.

Stand behind the catcher at a posiition where you can see the area over the plate from the batters knees to the bottom of their sternum. Have the pitcher pitch the ball. Watch that ball travel from the pitcher's hand to the catcher's glove. (BTW, when the pitcher released the ball, did her front foot land totally outside the 24" lane? Could you have seen if a runner on second base left early?).

Now try it again and have the batter swing and make contact. Remember, your eyes are still on the ball at the time of contact. Okay, now... where are the batter's feet?

Now, if the umpire knows that it's likely the runner might just be leaving the box too early, he might just decide to focus on the batter feet. But, if he's doing that he's not watching the ball from the pitcher's hand. If he doesn't see a strike, then he can't call a strike. So... as the defensive coach, what do you want him to be watching?

I ain't saying it's not the umpire's job... I'm just saying that hitting the ball might not be the hardest act in sports after all.