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Discussion in 'Softball Forum' started by erms, Jun 4, 2011.

  1. erms

    erms Full Access Member

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    The question of ejection vs. diqualification has been mentioned on another thread and had been a sore spot for me for years. This is a debate I have had with coaches for years . In my opinion if a coach is asked to leave the field of play, it is generally for some form of inappropriate behavior. Their behavior is representative of the school and community. Either the negative behavior is encouraged and supported with no action by anyone or there are consequences which demonstrate the ruling bodies will not tolerate the negative example.

    It almost seems this is something I should have overlooked. Is there anything wrong with having consequences for those who choose to behave in a negative and unsportsmanlike manner?

    A rose by any other name is still a rose.........
     
  2. softballphreak

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    The way the rules have been applied I was under the impression there are two separate rules.

    For example, a player wearing jewelry after the second warning is restricted to the dugout, along with the HC. And they call them disqualified. A person ejected from a game must leave the dugout and the facility.

    The ruling last night was an ejection. It was modified to a disqualification at some point.
     
  3. rhughes18

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    If the umpire sends the offender off the field they have been ejected.
    If the umpire restricts the offender to the dugout they have been disqualified.


    The NCHSAA used to want umpires to write up only ejections for fighting or leaving the bench for the purpose of fighting, tobacco use or possession, intentionally throwing equipment, profanity, unsportsmanlike conduct or using electronic equipment for coaching purposes.

    Now the NCHSAA wants every ejection or restriction to the dugout written up. The NCHSAA then levees any penalties they deem necesssary for the offense.

    A non-adult or player who has been ejected must remain in the dugout under adult supervision. If the non-adult or player disrupts the game then they must leave the vicinity of the field under the supervision of an adult.

    An adult who has been ejected must leave the vicinity of the field, which is interpreted as out of sight and sound of the game.

    Hope this helps
     
  4. erms

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    Thanks!! You interpret as I have.....regardless of being "reported"....or the "paperwork" being submitted....if a coach is asked to leave it is an ejection and results in a suspension for the next game....even if it is the last game of the season it carries over to the 1st game of next year!!

    Even had an official come to me once on behalf of a coach who had been ejected in the previous game due to unsportsmanlike conduct and tell me he just made him leave the game, but it wasn't an ejection,so he should be allowed to coach. If his behavior wasn't a problem he would not have drawn the attention of the official!!
     
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    Must not of been ejection lt night


    On the field coaching today!
     
  6. softballphreak

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    It was an ejection! I heard the plate umpire tell the officials in charge that it was an ejection. The plate umpire was informed that the coach had to leave the facility. The plate umpire responded that she had no control over anything outside the field fence.

    It doesn't matter at this point as far as these games are concerned. What does matter is that it has no negative impact on those officiating the game in which it happened. They acted very professionally and are to be commended for doing so.

    If there is any blame whatsoever none of it should be put on the officials.
     
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    From last post, if ejected you can't coach next game...My explaination from NCHSAA, it was a disqualification from that game, because their was no profanity or no gesture toward ump or other team, he was allowed to return.....goes to show you that coaches, parents, players and UMPS sometime over react when in certain situations, think it was good to allow 2 grest teams and 2 great coaches to continue....
     
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    All I'll say is that the ump who threw the coach out of the game was justified. And "brutal" was not the word that brought the ejection.
     
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    I wasn't on the field like you, but all I know is that all people involved...(The ones that matter) said it was a DQ and he was allowed to coach again........Unless of course he has a twin....Sooooo it must not of been too bad.....Ump that made call knows what was said, It may have been justified. Ump talked to NCHSAA....by your own words, a coach ejected can't coach next game.........HE IS COACHING
     
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    I'm aware of that! That's my concern. He was ejected. I heard and saw that explanation with my own eyes and ears! Why it was changed I have no idea.

    Right is right and wrong is wrong; whether it's convenient or not!

    I have no issues or friendships with any of the parties involved.

    This was a blemish on an outstanding game and hopefully someone will realize it, learn from it, and know this wasn't a positive. It should be an embarrassment!
     

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