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The death of the SW4A Conference

Discussion in 'Baseball' started by SouthCharlotteSports, Feb 16, 2012.

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  1. aguyyouknow

    aguyyouknow Yogi Fan

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    I read post15fans post again for the third time this morning. It reminded me of when you drive by a car accident and don't want to look.....but you can't help doing it.

    Although some might say the post was more like a train wreck.

    People like post15fan are out there folks. Try not to rubberneck.
     
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  2. eastof95

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    GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!

    I find it strange that some regulars on TBR are critical of families and friends that give money towards the improvement of a specific high school's baseball program. It sounds like they prefer that this money be given to CMS to decide how and where to spend the $$. I agree that this is clearly social engineering.
    I go with the folks who don't want elected officials to decide where my discretionary baseball cash goes. Next the government will tell me I cannot put a new roof on my house unless I pay towards everybody on my street replacing their roofs.

    ..:jester::jester::jester::bsflag::bsflag::bsflag::jester:
     
  3. eastof95

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    BOHICA!!!!!

    Bend Over..Here It Comes Again

    Love that!
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  4. Post15fan

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    You need better reading comprehension

    Geographically...The original realignment had a North/Middle/South orientation. The middle conference was West Meck to Rocky River. The southern conference from Myers Park south.

    The new alignment divides those non-North schools into East vs West groupings. Drawn at a slight slant, the grouping lumps SM, AK, Prov and Catholic in with the western schools.

    SouthCharlotteSports said CMS “insisted” on the change. I was curious who insisted, and why? But No one provided ANY insight on TBR. You ALL just COMPLAINED. Several of you are good at that. Master complainers. A few like MINCMI stated facts in support of supporting the SW4A status quo. Admirable. He's a baseball advocate.

    So.. i thought i'd give you some interesting reading on Monday ... providing a possible explanation. Perhaps I’m wrong by speculating the mindset of CMS administrators. Maybe CMS just slid the line over? Or maybe CMS doesn't give a rats about baseball quality, and are focused on other factors? Or maybe there are so many inequalities within CMS that it builds resentment?

    Given the knuckleheads at CMS leadership.... who knows.

    I went a bit too far in suggesting that donation money potentially corrupts decision making. I admire folks for donating time and money to schools. Gave some personal examples. Noted good charity efforts at AK. I admire coaches and student athletes that maintain their facilities, build quality baseball programs, etc. I've written checks to charities hosted by those programs.

    I'll put my curiosity about BIG donations aside for a while. But I still don't understand the whole public funds/private donations mix. I think donations are good. Building up PUBLIC schools with astroturf and other permanent structures while others have UNUSABLE track surfaces within the SAME school district sort of confuses me. Make no mistake, the facilities themselves are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being similar in quality. To pretend otherwise is a joke.

    Baylee, Jumpstart, Aguyyouknow...your opinion or approval really matters little to me. You don't know squat about me and ASSUME alot. I watch alot of Charlotte HS baseball (Jack Sync, East Meck tourneys, SW4A and Union Co.) And, I liked the ORIGINAL realignment better. And, Not that it's any of your business, but personally i've NEVER EVER voted for a democrat. And if you read the post...i said that YOU might have to socialize with the socialists. (was a joke). Implying that socializing with Obama supporters might just be tough for some SW4A fans who may not venture outside of their comfort zone. Try to keep up.

    Personally, I'd rather talk baseball. But your bravado about the SW4A begs an alternate view. BEGS for it. Let's just look at BASEBALL. Let's look at the quality of baseball instructors that non-SW4A schools have produced in Charlotte. The Hill brothers teach baseball Champions (formerly CBC, formerly OnDeck). Pretty well respected... yes? Jason and Kevin Hill played baseball at.... WEST MECK. Let's take another instructor. Mike Shildt pretty well respected baseball guy? Founded OnDeck. Runs quality camps. Manages in the Cardinals organization. World Series championion organzation. Pretty darn knowledgeable guy....yes? He played HS baseball at OLYMPIC.

    So let me get this straight.....ALOT of you southeast Charlotte dads pay ALOT of money for your son's to get taught baseball by former west Charlotte players. Priceless.

    So let's recap. You got mad because your SW4A conference broke up. You asked why? Those West Charlotte kids can't play. "Let's beat 'em by 40 points." Teach them a lesson. When I suggested that they needed quality coaching, you stated that it's not possible. Kids are too old during HS to turn around. Athleticism doesn't matter. Southeast Charlotte dads are just superior baseball teachers to southwest baseball parents from 8u on up. When someone offered an explanation that funding inequalities and charitable donation inequalities over time might be the reason for CMS's decision, you dismissed it. Call that poster "off the reservation" and a "train wreck." Yet alot of the quality instruction that current SW4A parents pay top dollar for is taught and organized by graduates of the schools you oppose for realignment.

    It's not a realignment. It's a homecoming.

    So let's end this long post on a lighter note...
    Question: How many southeast charlotte parents does it take to screw in a light bulb?
    Answer: ONE....they just hold it up there and the world revolves around them.

    Best of luck this season. Hopefully posts in the future will be baseball related. Celebrating the success from the hard work of players and coaches.
     
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    Post15 guy.......

    You said "personally I'd rather talk about baseball". And then you don't.

    You may be correct about our reading comprehension, but when challenged by a post like yours, comprehension isn't easy.
    My bet is your post did not get read completely by 90% of the folks. You wander, criticize, slander, etc. But, man, you have diarreha of the mouth. Keep it short dude and take a Valium. Calm down and stop criticizing people. It is ok to argue their positions but don't make it personal.
    Finally, you sound like if a person is from a particular geographical area, you automatically verbally abuse them. Buddy, work on your interpersonal skills.

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  6. Post15fan

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    Posting advice from you? That's Laughable (eastof95, baseballady, or whoever you r)

    Slander is for spoken defamatory remarks. Libel is for written. Most criticisms are of CMS policies or overzealous parents giving generalizations. This was a policy thread. As for YOUR opinion.... i really really really don't care.

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    Was a SW4A team back then. They had some really good ballplayers with Shildt leading the way. Shanks, Lindo, Thomas Hopkins, the Hills
     
  8. SouthCharlotteSports

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    POst 15 - I am not going to get in the middle of all the debate on opinions, etc, I will respond to where my name was mentioned in your latest post

    The process for conference development was
    1. an original alignment was put out by NCHSSA
    2. A second alignment was put out by NCHSSA after a feedback period
    3. A third alignment was placed out by NCHSSA after more feedback, it was in this feedback period where CMS turn in their preference for the leagues that would hold all of the CMS high schools. This is where the major edits came into play

    It is highly likely that NCHSSA will go with the CMS preferences and the final alignments will be what was in the final posting


    This was the process to get to this point.
     
  9. Post15fan

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    Thanks.

    Thanks.
     
  10. Braves

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    I love discussions and I like debates, but guys let's keep it civil. CMS explained why they decided to go to artificial turf for the new schools. It was to save money. Did it? Depends how the bean counters count.

    I, too, would never welcome CMS to decide how to spend my donations. I'd like to know exactly where it's spent. Obviously, an area with a higher degree of discretionary income would support their community school better than one that isn't. But that doesn't mean any school should have poor facilities. Someone mention Mike Schildt when he was at West Charlotte. There was a time when he was the coach and later, McConnell, when West Charlotte had the best baseball facility in the city....and it wasn't that long ago. West Meck was a beautiful facility and Olympic's was very good (may still be, but I haven't been there since Rhodes retired.)

    The commonality between the schools that had great fields and the one's that didn't was simple. It wasn't the economics of the area, but the commitment to "building a program" by the coach. These guys worked tireless hours and had great assistants that shared their vision: Their commitment and hard work was noticed by the parents who decided to help out. They decided to volunteer their time to help grade the fields, build dugouts, paint where necessary; weed eat, work concessions, and anything else necessary where manual labor would help. Basically the commitment by the HC filtered down to the families who showed their commitment to building a program.

    I'd like to use South Meck as an example. It was ranked by Impact Baseball as the #1 HS field in the state. Bagwell worked his butt off on his field and took great pride in it. Was it because of money spent? Heck no...it was just plain hard work (with volunteer manual work.) How long did the field stay at the same high standard after Bagwell left? Less than a year.
     
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