Another good call or bad call

Oh-Oh! the Ump might have been right!

... stopped for a second or two... from a parent of the offense, maybe she was not going one way or the other. Sounds almost like a perfect example of the look back rule. Guess you had to be there to know how long she had "stopped".

 

Thanks...

Thanks everyone. I had no idea that this could be so subjective. Looks like we need to be teaching our girls to round and stay in motion (keep moving slowly) and once they decide to go back, they have to turn and head back and not actually stop at all.

 

wrong.....

Once the ball goes to the circle... go to the next bag, or return to the previous.... slowly creeping one direction and then reversing will get you OUT

 

Huh?

Why is that? I thought the whole issue was that the girl stopped. If she doesn't completly stop, how/why would she be out?

 

Look-Back Rule
SECTION 18. a. The look-back rule is in effect when the ball is live, the
batter-runner has touched first base, there are one or more runners,
the pitcher has possession (that is, holds the ball in her hand or gloved
hand) and control of the ball within the pitcher’s circle. The pitcher is
considered to be in the pitcher’s circle when both her feet are within
the lines.
b. When a runner is legally off her base after a pitch or as a result of a batter
completing her turn at bat, and she is in motion as the pitcher takes
possession of the ball within the pitcher’s circle, the runner may continue
moving forward in the direction she is going without stopping; or she
may immediately and directly go back in the other direction. If the runner
is stopped as the pitcher takes possession of the ball within the
pitcher’s circle, the runner must immediately and directly go forward or
back. A base on balls or a dropped third strike is treated as a base hit as
long as the batter-runner continues past first base.
c. Once the runner has determined a direction, she may not reverse direction
unless the pitcher:
1. Throws the ball from within the pitcher’s circle.
2. Carries the ball outside the pitcher’s circle.
3. Has one foot completely outside the pitcher’s circle, on the ground,
and is in possession of the ball.
4. Sets the ball on the ground or no longer has the ball in her hand or
gloved hand.
5. Loses possession of the ball, including handing it to another player.
6. Makes a play on the runner or another runner.
Note: When the pitcher’s circle is not visible, the umpire must use good judgement.
d. The pitcher is considered to have made a play if:
RULE 12-17/BASE RUNNING
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1. She fakes a throw.
Note: Raising the throwing arm into throwing position is considered a fake
throw regardless of whether the pitcher’s arm moves forward.
2. She makes any aggressive body movement toward the base runner
(e.g., steps toward the runner, head and body fakes toward the runner).
e. There is no obligation on the part of the pitcher to look, fake or throw in
order to force the runner to comply with the look-back rule. The obligation
to comply rests solely with the runner.
f. When the pitcher takes possession of the ball within the pitcher’s circle:
1. A runner standing off her base must immediately return to the base
she last occupied or advance to the next base.
2. A runner who starts back to the base she last occupied or starts forward
toward the next base shall not stop or reverse direction.
3. The batter-runner may not step off any base after stopping at it.
4. The batter-runner, after overrunning first base, may not retouch the
base and advance toward second base.
5. The batter-runner, after overrunning first base, must immediately
return non-stop to first base or, if she does not retouch first base, she
must make an attempt to advance to second. If after passing the base,
the runner is heading back toward first within the basepath extended,
she may make a decision to go to either base. However, stepping
beyond the extended basepath in foul territory commits the runner
to first base while stepping beyond the basepath toward the second
base side commits the runner to second base.
EFFECT (1)-(5)—The ball is dead, the offending runner is out, and each
other runner must return to the last base legally touched at
the time of the infraction. If two runners are off base and
both runners are called out, the umpires must determine
which runner was called out first as it is not possible to
obtain more than one out under the look-back rule. The ball
is dead when the first runner is called out, and the other
runner must return to the base last touched at the time of the
infraction.​

Hope this helps....


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Rulebook

There may be a better address, but this is accessable online. www.ncusfa.org go to rule book, pull down to page 8, 2008 and page 14, 6001 for lookback rule.USFA rules vary slightly from HS, but its the same on "lookback". It will be a subjective ruling by the umpire and some are more leinient than others.

 

hmm

I am not sure of the level of teams you are playing but they may want to start getting into the bag hard on a steal or they will not have to worry about the ump calling them out. The rule in question is not called consistent from one play to the next; round the bag creeping for a few to many seconds then going back will in most cases get you called out.

 

Because !!!

The rule says that once the pitcher is in the cirlce and possesses the ball,the runner has to make a continous movement either to the next bag or return to the bag that she is at !! She can't move positive/negative direction or just stop, unless in a run down or the pitcher/ball leaves the circle, then it is fair game !!!







Guru

 

It is called consistently at the NCAA level....

Teach the rules correctly... makes my job easier...