Bogus player statistics.

Mincmi once proposed having a scoring 'symposium' open to anyone who was interested in getting together to go over any questions/scenarios that make so many of us scratch our head on a nightly basis. Not sure there would be enough people interested to make this happen but it's a thought.... As far as error rulings on no-man-land pop flies, and various other situations, I can't remember the exact rule of thumb that Mincmi uses, but it's something along the lines of "should the play have been made with reasonable/oridinary effort." Catcher10, I think your humor is lost on Mincmi, he's too busy telling Si like stories to actually sit down and watch the show.

 

Funny you mention MINCIMI. The game I was scoring, and mentioned in the opening of the thread, was his webcast Friday evening. He and I cross checked our books before I gave mine to the coach and they were the same.

 

Try not to get too worked up over it. The truth is that high school stats are almost meaningless in the eyes of scouts and college recruiters.

Suspect scorekeeping certainly accounts for a big chunk of their skepticism; but, it also stems from the fact that the stats are "earned" against many players who are playing their final level of organized baseball.

Scouts and recruiters will listen to the assessments of high school/travel team/legion coaches when they believe them to be credible; but, their eyes glaze over and ears close up when stats are used as a major reason to evaluate a player.

At the end of the day, scouts and recruiters make their judgments according to the baseball people they trust best: themselves. That is, with their own eyes. That's the truly meaningful element of evaluation.

 

EagleDAD - I am assuming yu are two nice to name the school in question. Went back and looked at schedules for the Friday 3/15 games; Then the game stats on MaxPreps. School became reasonably apparent due to the pitcher's pitching and hitting stats matched exaclly what you stated the school recorded. I became too curious not too see who the offender was. Shame on them.

 

Opps

EagleDad: Sorry , did not see your last post where you mentioned the SW4A Webcast. There was only one Web Cast on the SW4A website on Friday 3/15. Looks like you called them out indirectly without outright naming the team. Good for you.

 

Here's the thing about stats. Well there's more than one thing, but I'll throw this out....

Good players on good teams will end up facing the best pitcher from the opposing team most every time they play. Good players on bad teams will likely not face the same level of pitching. Bad teams often face the #2 or #3 starter from the opposing team. So, that one outstanding player may have great stats in comparison to equal players on good teams.

 

Sorry to resurrect this but I noticed that in the first post, it was stated... "Batter walks, takes second on a passed ball, scores on double off the wall by the next batter. That is one earned run."

But is it necessarily earned? You would have to assume that the runner would have scored from first base on that double in order to score it an earned run. That's because the runner was only in scoring position due to an error on the catcher (passed ball). This is one area I struggle as a scorer (and a pitcher's dad .

 

Unearned Runs
· A batter or runner advances one or more bases on an error or passed ball and scores on a play that would otherwise not have provided the opportunity to score.


While the inning is still being played, this last scenario can cause a temporary situation where a run has already scored, but its earned/unearned status is not yet certain. For example, with two outs, a runner on third base scores on a passed ball. For the time being, the run is unearned since the runner should still be at third. If the batter strikes out to end the inning, it will stay that way. If the batter gets a base hit, which would have scored the runner anyway, the run now becomes earned.


It depends on what the next batters do on whether its unearned or earned.

 

That's correct. So if, after the double off the wall, there is another hit (and the guy who doubled stops at third) then the run is clearly earned. But what if the next batter makes the third out? Then whether it is an earned run seems to come down to whether you as the score keeper think the runner on first would have scored from first (where he was before the passed ball) on that double off the wall. Is that right?

 

I understand there're many complexities to the scoring. But the point is that there is a lot of mystery surrounding the scoring of one particular player. He hit a ball deep in the hole between first and second and the first baseman fielded it. The pitcher covered first and the first baseman made a poor throw that allowed the hitter to ROE. The next day it shows up as a hit. Personally I don't care if the kid has struck out 300 hitters in a row and has batted 1.000 for his career. It becomes a problem when another player is left off of an all-conference team or if this kid wins player of the year based on his superhuman statistics.