coaching question?

which one???

So something is not quite right here. (1) According to the rule book, a HS coach can coach 9 or more from the end of HS softball season to the 1st day of official football practice or start of dead period. OR (2) A HS coach cannot coach more than 8 official HS players except during official HS season. My only ??? to #2 is that after HS season ends. Do the seniors count as HS players? 18U can't be 18 before Jan 1. Most Seniors are 17 or just turning 18. They are going to graduate or have already graduated and considered past HS eligible. The rising freshman, those still in the 8th grade or just finished the 8th grade and have not tried out for the varsity/JV team or my not even want play HS ball. That part serves as intent and cannot be judged. Sorta like "Don't ask don't tell"...... Just a thought????????

 

I am talking strictly summer when school is not in session. If the situation that you speak of is the case, then I know several baseball coaches that should be out of jobs, as well as a few softball coaches. How about basketball coaches that take their teams to summer camps. The NCHSAA has no jurisdiction during June and July if your school is out for summer.

 

I think the disconnect comes with the summer months specifically. Let me quote the NCHSAA Handbook: "Team practice in any sport is prohibited after the sports season ends until the FIRST DAY FOLLOWING THE FINAL DAY OF THE SCHOOL YEAR. At NO time during THE SCHOOL YEAR may any offseason team gather with all positions represented. Any team practice or game environment created in an off-season skill development session is prohibited during the 180 day school calendar."


I would guess that some HS coaches that were fired made the mistake of coaching TB teams and HS teams and making it mandatory which is a clear violation. I would also not be surprised if people at the NCHSAA, including those supposedly in the know, do not know there own governing rules.
As for the grandfathered in part, it's what Rams quoted which I will gladly repeat straight from the NCHSAA handbook
"Coaches coaching a team outside the sports season but during the school year must still abide by the numbers restrictions above. Exception: baseball/softball (legion baseball etc) which extends into the summer.

That's pretty clear to me. I will stand by that and what they specifically told me.

 

If this were the rule their would be a bunch of legion coaches breaking the rule. During the summer when school is out no limits to number of players

 

This issue is talked about just about every year by NCHSAA (usually Que Tucker) at the high school softball rules clinic in Greensboro. Attendence at this clinic is mandatory for HS head coaches. Yes, high school coaches can legally coach summer teams with any number of their high school players between the end of the high school season and the beginning of the fall sports dead period.

The question that started this thead was, "Can a travel ball coach that coached during the dead period be an assistant coach for high school?"

I believe the answer is actually yes.

If they were truely not part of, nor had ever been part of the high school program until after the dead period coaching was done, there can be no consequences. NCHSAA will require documentation from the school showing when the individual became a HS coach. They won't take an individual's word.

If they were on the HS staff or "quit" the staff, coached TB, then rejoined the staff, they can still be a HS coach. However, this is a violation and can result in fines charged to the school. NCHSAA does not have the power to fire coaches. That is left up to the school system/principle. NCHSAA does have the power to fine schools for violations. They can also prohibit a school from participating in its athletic programs if fines are not paid or if the school fails to stop rules violations by coaches.