In-State tuition for out of state athletes...

......for the last 5 years has been granted in NC. In the N & O Raleigh newspaper, in the editorial section of July 1, 2010,.......it states that no out of state scholarship athlete will be granted in state tuition.

As most of ya'll know, if not all of ya, the fishman is not good with computer stuff....so would somebody help me out here on posting this editorial.....and lets here the skinny on how this helps or hurts our NC in state kids.

Thanks

FishDad

 

Tuition break down

From N&O July 1, 2010

With a state budget still reeling from the recession, North Carolina lawmakers at long last pulled a gift from beneath the tree of university booster clubs that never should have been offered in the first place. Scholarship athletes from out of state no longer will be classified as in-state for tuition purposes, which they were for five years thanks primarily to the lobbying heft of UNC-Chapel Hill boosters.

The break saved the booster clubs about $9 million, which means it cost taxpayers that much. And it made the university system in effect sanction a lie: Students from out of state are not in fact in-state students. The wealthy Rams Club in Chapel Hill had friends on Jones Street, including former state Sen. Tony Rand of Fayetteville, their chief advocate. And UNC-CH also has a political action committee that contributes to key lawmakers friendly to their aims.

This was a bad idea from the start, although those who pushed it tried to cover it in a cloak of virtue by also including in the tuition break full scholarship students with prestigious academic scholarships. The foundations that sponsor them will continue to get the break under a deal hammered out during state budget negotiations. They argue that they will be able to bring more top-notch students to campuses as a result, and with more out-of-state students and foreign students, the educational experience for in-state students will be enhanced.

Yes, some smaller schools will have to scramble if they want to continue bringing in as many out-of-state athletes. But the poor-mouthing on behalf of the well-heeled Rams and the Wolfpack Club of N.C. State is ridiculous. Their members will simply have to cover the difference, and they're perfectly capable of doing so. Considering the millions of dollars lavished on improvements to stadiums and the millions paid to coaches these days, to stick the taxpayers with a bigger tab is and always was unfair.

There is little good news in the budget this year, but the lean times have at least forced the elimination of this ill-advised and, for taxpayers, insulting policy.

 

Okay Fishman Here you go

Below is an article describing exactly what this means. On June 28th, this practice was effectively eliminated in a handshake deal in the House, prior to finalization of the budget.

Its goneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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It's time for out-of-state scholarship students to pay full tuition on UNC campuses. Or, better said, it's time for the foundations that provide their scholarships to pay the full cost.
For five years now, state taxpayers have been subsidizing top students and student-athletes from out of state through a special tuition break. When one of these students wins a full scholarship to a UNC campus, the support group that finances that scholarship pays the in-state rate.
The measure originated in the state Senate but has never been popular in the House. Attempts to repeal it have failed and it remains on the books. When the House passed its budget earlier this month, it ordered an end to the tuition breaks. Now, it is up to the House-Senate conference committee on the budget to decide whether it stays or goes.
Supporters of the tuition break make several points with which we don't disagree. The break allows academic foundations to provide more scholarships to the very best students. Those youngsters enrich the experience of North Carolinians on campus and they often settle in North Carolina later.
It is not, however, the role of a private foundation to dispense public money. When a foundation provides a student with a tuition scholarship at in-state rates, the state subsidy is actually larger than the foundation's award to the student.
In effect, the foundations have been privately choosing the students that N.C. taxpayers subsidize. Furthermore, North Carolina already subsidizes out-of-state students with tuition rates below the full cost of the education provided and below the rates of other states' universities.
Supporters argue that the legislature won't save any money by ending this break. If a swimmer from Indiana were to be replaced by a swimmer from North Carolina, they would be right. But if a linebacker from Ohio does enroll at full out-of-state tuition rates, the state will get extra revenue.
Another element of this tuition break is especially repugnant. Once these out-of-state students are enrolled under this program, they are counted as in-state residents for the purpose of the state's 18-percent cap on out-of-state students. In effect, they are taking seats away from North Carolina students


Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...ore-tuition-breaks-for-out.html#ixzz0saBtofxA

 

Here's a little known agreement that many parents don't know about, but you can bet the Athletic Directors do.

http://www.examiner.com/x-/x-20753-...-to-pay-instate-tuition-at-outofstate-schools

I actually believe this new ruling is a great thing.

 

Braves, I'm not so sure... I think it will hurt the "non-revenue" sports, like baseball and softball, that can offer only partial schollys. This will especially affect the smaller UNC system schools that don't have the big buck booster clubs.

In the case of the out of state athlete, who is offered a partial to a NC school, the "state" isn't going to "make more money" off of this athlete. The "state" won't make a dime... because he, or she, ain't going to come and pay the higher tuition!

I know this because if the state of Virginia had unlimited in-state rates for out-of-state athletes at their schools, my son would be at Va. Tech instead of UNC-A. The issue was that they used all of the limited ones they are allowed on football and basketball.

With this new rule UNC will "make" some more money, NC State will "make" some more money and maybe ECU will "make" a little more money from the "full scholly" athletes they bring in from out-of-state. Maybe also at those schools the boosters will still be willing to throw a few bucks towards the non-revenue sports after they have taken care of football and basketball... or maybe they won't and the growth we have seen in the national prominence of baseball and the other "non-rev" sports like men's and women's soccer will become a fading memory.

There has to be a middle ground. My thought is there should be a percentage of these scholarships set for each sport a school participates in. As an example, each sport would be allowed to give 20% of their scholarships at an in-state rate. That way a school like UNC-A or UNC-W could go and recruit a key pitcher for their baseball or softball team, or a point guard for their basketball team, or one of those dudes that can score a goal in "kickball". I do believe that football and basketball shouldn't be allowed to eat up all the schollys, but I don't believe the total elimination is going to be a good thing in the long run for the "non-revs" and the smaller schools.

It also bothers me that athletes are singled out with this new rule. There are way more academic scholarships given to out-of-state, or out-of-country, kids at our state supported schools and this is going to be continued as I understand it. Aren't these "foreigners" (sometimes literally) taking seats in classrooms away from NC kids? Maybe these kids do stay in North Carolina after they graduate... and take a job that a NC kid could have gotten... if he, or she, had been able to have that seat in the classroom that other kid got... for free... at the taxpayer's expense. It doesn't make me feel "enriched" it makes me feel like my kids are getting cheated.

 

As long as schools can offer full rides, or make up the difference with academic money it won't matter how much the tuition bill is. It will be free, unless of course coaches recruit rich kids who can play ball and don't need the money.

Other thing is maybe schools go full ride to ALL athletes.

Regardless, if the money dries up I doubt you'll see many out-of-state kids leaving home to play non-revenue, which would definitely open more slots for in-state kids.


Have to wait and see what the schools do.

 

GMan, here is why I like it.

-It's putting the burden of pay about the extra tuition for OOS on the Booster programs instead of the Taxpayers.

- Schools can no longer hide beneath the 18% quota of OOS by waiving the OOS tuition. Now it will be real numbers, not monkey numbers.

- It will force schools to recruit more local athletes---I'm all for that!

2 things: Cool!!!...don't come! Opens a spot for another NC kid. But for a student from the NE, paying out of state tuition is still a heckuva bargain for them. They LOVE the Southern schools!!!

Gman, I don't know of any school that has unlimited waivers. South Carolina probably has the most. But some of their offers to OOS athletes is just that--they got the waiver only. But Va Tech certainly still offers it to some of their non-revenue athletes. I know of at least 5 on the baseball team and one of them plays for our summer team.

But I like what the state is doing. If the athletic programs want to bring out of state students in...fine....but the money comes out of the athletic program or booster clubs, not the NC taxpayers. If they decide they need to stop bringing in as many out of state students and bring in more NC athletes..wow, won't that be nice.

"Kickball" is a foreign sport played by foreigners. The college teams are filled with players from all over the world. If that sport fades from national prominence because schools are forced to provide more opportunities to NC kids...again, I'm all for it!

I can't speak for softball, but it will have no bearing on baseball and the elite programs. The athletic programs will pick up the tab...and if not them, then their sponsors.

Please do not bring UNC-A into this conversation I'm still trying to push for them to become fully funded.

I'm with you 100% brother

 

We are one of those fortunate families who paid out-of-state tuition for our daughter this past school year. One of those semesters we paid in error, but changing to in-state tuition is not retroactive--thus, it cost our daughter about $5,500 more for her to attend school last year. It was one of those hidden clauses that is difficult to find.

My daughter received a decent athletic scholarship at her school, but she still was required to pay all out-of-state tuition. This was actually cheaper or the same price had she attended the schools recruiting her that were not offering her full rides. Unfortunately she didn't get "that feeling" for any school that would have given her a full ride.

We learned that Pennsylvania is good about dropping out-of-state tuition at least for Ohio residents. We also learned that DI JUCOS offer full rides, but many have a limited amount of room and board allowances available--at least in softball.

 

Discussed this with a D1 head coach (softball) today

It's going to have significant impact. No one was 'grandfathered'. In other words, the schools have to come up with the dollars to cover the out-of-state tuition for all athletes currently on scholarship or the athletes themselves will have to make up the difference. The AD at her school 'saw this coming' and had planned appropriately. She did say the plan at her school was that the coaches of each sport will have set number of dollars. Simply put, if she chooses to go with out-of-state kids she will either have fewer scholarship players or be giving kids fewer dollars.

Who will this impact the most? Look at the rosters of the various public universities in NC and you'll have your answer.