Lets Play Hit ot Error

varsity baseball game-Kid hits a high pop fly in the infield, ss call "I got it" and runs under it to far and the ball hits the ground behind him.

Hit or Error?

 

HIT

same as a pop fly behind 2nd base and it falls in between CF, SS and 2nd basemen.

mental error? YES!

error from a game standpoint? NO

 

from a published author on baseball scoring....fascinating

RULE 10.08(f)​

HOW TO PROPERLY SCORE A RUNNER’S ATTEMPT
TO STEAL A BASE WHEN HE IS CALLED SAFE
DUE TO A DROPPED THROW

(HOW A RUNNER CAN BE CAUGHT STEALING
EVEN THOUGH HE WASN’T PUT OUT)

Under Rule 10.08(f), a stolen base is not credited to a runner trying to steal a base if (in the judgment of the official scorekeeper) the runner is called safe at the base he is trying to steal due solely to a “muffed” throw, such as a good throw that is not cleanly caught. In that case, the player who made the good throw is credited with an assist; the player who “muffed” the throw is charged with an error; and the runner (although safe) is charged with a caught stealing.

Note that Rule 10.08(f) neatly epitomizes three of the bedrock fundamental concepts of scorekeeping:

1). Everything done in a game that deserves credit should be recorded and credited to the appropriate player;

2). Everything done in a game that deserves blame should be recorded and charged to the appropriate player; and,

3). The advancement of each player from each base to each base should be accurately recorded and accounted for consistent with the letter and spirit of the rules of baseball scorekeeping.

Typically, the throw in plays covered by Rule 10.08(f) comes from the catcher. If the catcher made a throw clearly good enough to put out the stealing runner, then logic and fairness – as well as Rule 10.08(f) – demand that he should get credit for that good throw regardless of how it ended up being handled by the player receiving that throw. Therefore, the catcher gets an assist in this situation.

Moreover, if the catcher’s good throw did not result in a putout because the fielder covering the base failed to catch the catcher’s good throw, that error is justly charged to that fielder.

In addition, if the runner ends up safe at the base because the catcher’s good throw was muffed, the runner should not get credit for a stolen base. Moreover, he should be charged with what he deserves, a caught stealing, even though he ended up being safe.

 

Error-you would expect a SS making ordinary effort to catch a pop fly in the infield.

From official rules, outfield example but the same reasoning should apply........The official scorer shall charge an outfielder with an error if such outfielder allows a fly ball to drop to the ground if, in the official scorer’s judgment, an outfielder at that position making ordinary effort would have caught such fly ball.

 

High School Stats Mean Nothing!

NO WONDER YOUR SON HIT .690 LAST YEAR!
IT ALL MAKES SENSE TO ME NOW!

 

Key person in this discussion is the official scorer. In my opinion, all high pop-ups in the infield should be caught. Alot of infielders struggle with high popups, & some are tough to get under when it's windy, but they all should be caught. So, I say error. I realize thou, that some scorers don't charge an error when the fielder doesn't get a glove on the ball.

 

Chubbs has it correct. Ordinary effort or I use "should the play be reasonally made."

Getting a glove on a ball has little to do with scoring. Example: player makes extra effort to dive for a ball and gets a glove on it but fails to record an out should not be charged an error. Conversely a ball that rolls between the legs of a player, even if hit hard, that is not touch, should result in an error on the fielder and not a hit for the batter.

 

From the HS case book on page 85

Situation B 9.5.5...Batter hits a pop-up behind second base that could easily be caught by either the 2nd baseman or the shortstop. The ball is not caught by either. RULING: Since the ball could have been caught it is an error that can be charged to either player or the team. It is not to be recorded as a hit.

 

Its an error!!! People that record that stuff as a hit are the reason parents and team members in the dugouts should not be the official scorer.​

 

Its great to see all the TBR feedback. This play did happen in a recent high school game. The kid was given a hit, I thought it was an error.

Its not just in High school. I was at a college game and saw a fly hit just in fair play, about halfway between home and first. The pitcher and first baseman both called for it and neither caught the ball. There were no errors recorded on the teams website when I checked out the stats for that game.