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POLL ON UMPIRING

Discussion in 'Softball Forum' started by cheeze105, Apr 2, 2008.

poll on umpiring

  1. no, umpiring is adaquete this year

    14 vote(s)
    14.7%
  2. yes, umpiring is below par this year

    55 vote(s)
    57.9%
  3. umpires must be required to pass a vision test

    43 vote(s)
    45.3%
  4. umpires must be required to pass a physical test for mobility

    40 vote(s)
    42.1%
  5. umpires must pass the written test before they can umpire a game

    53 vote(s)
    55.8%
  6. rating/critique system must be implemented immediatley

    54 vote(s)
    56.8%
  7. we need Pop Rivers association to take this up with the state

    37 vote(s)
    38.9%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. cheeze105

    cheeze105 Moderator Staff Member

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    I dont want this to become a thread on bashing umpires, but I've seen some things in the last two years that need to change. I'm running this poll to find out if its isolated to my conference or state wide. Now, I never argue balls and strikes, i try not to argue judgement calls (sometimes). but here are some of the things that are driving me nuts.

    1). do you realize that umps didnt have to take the test for umpiring until last friday??? this means that you can have an unqualified ump for the first half of the season.

    2). no vision test is required for umps. i'm talking about the ump behind the plate who actually closed their eyes when a pitch comes in and then looks at the catchers gloves.

    3). no physical test to check on mobility. as in a ump who cant physically get out of the way of a defensive player or get into the correct position to make a call.

    4). lack of recourse for umps that definately show favortism or make calls before the play is over or who have a power thing and show it. cant call anyone.

    5). we need a way of critiquing the umps on a game by game basis. critical calls, blown calls, out of position, attitudes, all need to be addressed, corrected or sent on their way. most dont know the rules as well as i do and i dont know them all.

    6) pitching should be regulated on a consistant basis, crowhopping or replanting should never be allowed and it needs to be enforced for the betterment of the pitcher who will eventually face an umpire who will not allow it period.

    I am upset to the point of taking this to the state or talking to Pop Rivers about just how bad its become and ask him to address this at the next state meeting.

    so people, vote on how it is with your conference and lets not bring up examples of bad umpiring, we've already done that. lets put some numbers up so i have something to go off of for the betterment of the game.

    you can vote on more than one issue
     
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  2. Braves

    Braves Watauga Pioneers #6

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    Don't the umpires go through an agent? Building a relationship with the agent is a good way to correct or dismiss an unqualified umpire.

    A vision test?- Hahahaha. I love jokes that aren't meant to be funny

    critiquing umps?- ain't going to happen. Again, the best way is voicing concerns (be specific and not whiny) to the agent.

    physical size? That is a real concern

    To be quite honest, I believe the areas that have a concern of the quality and the quanity of good umpires is an area that has a shortage of umpires

    But remember two things, as bad as umpiring can be, it is bad for both teams and when you run across an umpire that hustles and shows a concern for the players...let them know that. Good umpires bring other good umpires into the business.

    I can tell you this, there ain't no way I would be an umpire. You couldn't pay me enough
     
  3. cheeze105

    cheeze105 Moderator Staff Member

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    gotta agree with you braves, calls lately have been bad for both teams involved, but so unnecessary and directly affect the girls who play. when i found out that we have had umps who didnt pass the test, it explained quite a bit about whats been happening this year. intefering with a defensive play because you're out of position and cant move your feet fast enough is unexcuseable, but when it happens more than once a game, its just plain sad.
     
  4. Crazecoach

    Crazecoach For HIS Glory...

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    Just curious

    Who do you get in touch with to ump around Catawba valley/ western NC area if someone wanted to start? Do you go to local rec leagues, then move up or just start at middle and high school level? How does it play into NSA, ASA,etc? Are the same folks involved? PM me if you do not want to respond on here.
     
  5. nc2aump

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    UMPIRIRNG

    I have been a Collegiate official for over 30 years now, I spend time in the off-season training hundreds of officials. Linking an eye-sight problem, with an umpire flintching as the pitch comes in is wrong. One has nothing to do with the other. Proper training eliminates this problem. As I said in some other responses to other comments, YOU the parents and coaches really have the power to force change. With these summer tournaments, which are little more than money-makers for the people putting them on; you stop attending and let them know that until they train their officials, you'll go somewhere else, then and only then will they start top expect umpires to be more than a uniform wearing, patch toting person calling themselves umpires.
    I say in most cases, umpires are physically capable of being out there, but their simple desire to hustle and do what it takes to remain fair and impartial is what is missing. Umpires usualLy get to officiate games for one of the following reasons:
    (1) A SHORTAGE OF OFFICIALS
    (2) BEING CLOSE FRIENDS OF THE PEOPLE PUTTING THE GAMES ON OR THE PERSON ASSIGNING THE OFFICIALS, DEVOID OF ACTUAL ABILITY.
    (3) QUALIFIED TO BE OUT THERE
    I have tried in the past with USSSA and ASA and High School, to help them improve the quality of their officials, but as usual thier hidden agenda wins out.
    Good luck with trying to promote change.
     
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    Umpires

    Have a few questions and comments. As far as an Ump interefering with a defensive player, was it because he couldn't move, was in wrong position, used improper mechanics, or didn't anticpate the play? I remember when I started Umping, back during the last ICE AGE. we had a week long course that covered the rule book from front to back and taught and demonstrated mechanics on the field. At the end of the week, we were tested on Rule Knowledge AND mechanics before we were assigned to call. We were also assigned with an experienced Ump for our first season and they not only critiqued us after the game, they had to send a report to the booking agent.
    Here is a concern I have also, If an Ump didn't play fast pitch or hasn't been taught what to look for, how do they know what a replant (crow hop) or leap looks like? I know at the Clinic this year we were told it was a POE. Yet, I have yet to see it called. Not going to mention teams or umps but, played a game where pitchers foot was LANDING on the circle. Pitcher was 5'6" or so. No drag line within 3' of rubber. Tried to explain to Ump, he said it wasn't leaping. Asked him to explain his interpetation. He said 'when both feet are off the ground at the same time'. Pretty good interpetation but didn't know it when he saw it. Have also noticed base umps fixated on the plate area before the pitch. Is that because they aren't told of their repsonsibilities during the pitch, or is it so they can say 'I didn't see it'. I feel that sometimes, with hard throwers, some umps believe that if the pitcher was doing something illegal another ump would've called it by now and she wouldn't be doing it. As I said, I was an Ump so I have been on the other side of the fence too. I don't know as much as I wish I did and I don't expect perfection but, I do expect consistancy.
     
  7. nc2aump

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    Umpires

    Sadly most of the umpires I see are there for one reason, THE MONEY! And decent money it is too. $27 to $30 per game, approx. 4 - 5 games a day for 3 days, I'd say thats pretty good.
    Everything you mentioned is mostly related to a lack of proper training and can be fixed, if the person is open to the idea of doing it correctly. For this to happen, he/she must be out there because they love the sport and want to make a difference. They must become a student of the game, not just an arbiter of the game. To be a great arbiter, means that you have to know the sport inside and out and have a passion and respect for the game and it's history. Once again, good luck striving for change.
     
  8. Softball Guru

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    HUH ???


    Fastpitch been around for 30 years ?? Dang you must be old !! _LOL

    :wheelchair:--- GURU
     
  9. nc2aump

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    YES I AM OLD!

    I spent 16 years as a collegiate Baseball Umpire, now in my 15 season as a Collegiate Softball Umpire. I called my first college baseball game when I was 17 years old. Never looked back. I love to officiate and train new officials.
     
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    There should be some sort of "customer" review system.

    Each ump should have a of self addressed post card surveys that they hand out at the beginning of each game to each coach. At the end of the game the coach can take 30 seconds to fill out the card and drop it into a survey box(at a tournament) or mail it in(after a hs game).

    Sure there will be complaint-type responses, but the umpire "agency" could definitely see a pattern of complaints for a particular umpire.

    Maybe this would encourage that umpire to do a better job, get more training, whatever. Fellow umpires are just not going to complain about another's umpiring, so there is no way to get information back to the booking agent.


    PS: If the pay is so good, why is there a shortage of umpires?
     

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