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POLL ON UMPIRING

Discussion in 'Softball Forum' started by cheeze105, Apr 2, 2008.

poll on umpiring

  1. no, umpiring is adaquete this year

    14 vote(s)
    14.7%

  2. yes, umpiring is below par this year

    55 vote(s)
    57.9%

  3. umpires must be required to pass a vision test

    43 vote(s)
    45.3%

  4. umpires must be required to pass a physical test for mobility

    40 vote(s)
    42.1%

  5. umpires must pass the written test before they can umpire a game

    53 vote(s)
    55.8%

  6. rating/critique system must be implemented immediatley

    54 vote(s)
    56.8%

  7. we need Pop Rivers association to take this up with the state

    37 vote(s)
    38.9%
Multiple votes are allowed.
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  1. Apr 6, 2008 at 8:09 AM #41
    lknsftbllfan09

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    Who do we talk to to make formal complaints on umpires? I think if there is going to be a soluation we need to do it in the proper form. So please everyone who has a complaint can do it in the proper way and not just a bunch of parents whinning on tbr. This is becoming a real problem not just one to chat about there is going to be serious injuries if we don't try and get something done.
     
  2. Apr 6, 2008 at 7:03 PM #42
    cheeze105

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    its appartent that this problem is wide spread across the state and i've been doing some research on this, not complete yet, but what i know now is the first step is to contact the booking agent. if and when ya do this, you need to have your ducks in a row with specifics like a video of the game, written description of events and be accurate or its just another complaint from a coach. i'm told that in severe cases, you can go to the state, but i will know the procedure by next week and will publish it also.
     
  3. Apr 7, 2008 at 7:04 AM #43
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    Please let us know as soon as possible. Thank You
     
  4. Apr 7, 2008 at 10:29 AM #44
    cheeze105

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    procedure

    the procedure of reporting a substandard umpire is actually pretty direct.

    first step: coach or AD must contact the booking agent and discuss problem. most often, booking agent will come and look or send a rep to stand in the crowd to see if problem exists. complains are looked at on a case by case basis and often umps and coaches are bought in to discuss this to try and settle disputes. lack of knowledge of rules or wrong interperpation of rules is looked at to try to solve issue. under no circumstances will a parent of a player even be heard by the booking agent, it must come from a head coach or a AD.

    second step: if nothing can be resolved and the problem still exists, you need to have your head coach or Ad contact the state rep for umpire supervision and i believe that person is Mark Dreibelbis at NCHAA.

    either way, you need to have documented information about your issues. video tape, pictures, written incidents. it needs to be documented for you to have a chance to suceed.

    good luck
     
  5. Apr 8, 2008 at 11:10 PM #45
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    Misplaced energy and emotion!...

    ....is the common denominator in the quest of anybody actually trying to turn "slinging snot about the umps" into making a posivitive move in the "right" way. Leave your emotions out of this equation and you'll start out on the right track. ......Now, what? video tapes, pictures, etc????? ...how about not waisting time on the umps and give it to the kids. JMO
     
  6. Apr 9, 2008 at 6:21 AM #46
    cheeze105

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    it seems that the situations being called on the field are counter to what we teach our girls. in some situations, the girls have more knowledge as to what is "obstruction" and what is "interference" than the umps calling the game who often get it wrong. but the biggest problems exists when an ump takes the game out of the players hands and shows favortism, controversy, contempt toward coaches and fans or just being a showman (holllywood type). nothing turns a game around worse than an ump who makes that bad call just so he be be seen and this happens a lot here lately. i agree Marlin that some parents/players/coaches use this as an excuse to why they lost or did bad, but some of us coaching look past this and try to find ways to help our kids deal with these situations.......and most of us are lost right now. how can we teach a girl that she has the right to field a ball hit to her and then watch the ump tell her she doesnt have the right to cross the base line when she's doing it?? how can we teach a runner to reach the next base when she's told by us she has the right to the base line when a play is not being made on her, yet she gets knocked down by a second baseman not fielding a ball and is called out for interference?? if she goes around the player, she's called out for leaving the base line??? these are the things we're complaining about, inconsistancy and lack of knowledge of the rules set forth. most of us dont think about complaining about the strike zone, lost cause. but lets find some common ground on these rules and stick with it and let the girls play ball. we always complain about umpiring, its a tradition old as time and we've all been conditioned to do it thru our forefathers, but as the game improves in this area, we're demanding better performance by the umpires and trying to set the standard higher to better the game. i had an old friend come and watch our game last night, he's retired and watches a butt load of softball games, he summed it up pretty good: the skill level of the player is now exceeding the skill level of the umps. it's time for them to catch up. the question is who is or how are you going to force them to make that move????jmho is all.
     
  7. Apr 9, 2008 at 8:01 AM #47
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    no problem until.....

    Top of the seventh 2 outs, runner on 1st base. 1st pitch called strike....2nd pitch fouled off....Umpire does not have a ball. New ball out of the box is thrown in to the pitcher. Ball that had previously been in play comes in to the catcher at the same time. Pitcher request to change ball. Umpire refuses. Next pitch, ball 1. Pitcher request to change ball. Umpire refuses. Next pitch, ball 2. Pitcher again request to change ball. Umpire refuses. Next pitch slips on release and nearly gets away from the catcher, ball 3. Pitcher request to change ball. Umpire refuses. Fortunately ended up with a called 3rd strike to end the game.

    My question....Umpires have always been accomodating in granting the pitchers request should they want to change a ball at a particular time. Is there a reason this particular umpire repeatly refused or was it a case of obstinance on his part?

    Just asking for future reference......

    ERMS
     
  8. Apr 9, 2008 at 8:17 AM #48
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    Cheeze you are so right. Are game from the girls is came along way but umps are still in slow motion. If we continue to use these same umps then they should be taught in the proper way not just a short clinic to brief over the rule book. It is not about whinning losers its about the girls who go out there and try to play a fair game and don't get justification because the umps think they know all of the rules just because they are umps.I have seen alot of winning teams just as upset with the umps as a losing team so we need to get off of the fact that we are whinning and do something even if it is just a retraining process and not a replacing one.If are dd make mistakes we correct them but when umps make mistakes.. what we are suppose to accept them? Knowledge is the most important part of a learning experience its kinda hard to teach the right way when the officials don't have the knowledge.I have seen alot of pitchers get hurt do to the fact the umps are'nt even sure of the strike zone straight down the middle is not the only strike zone so if they can't even call strikes and balls hell what makes think they know what the difference between obstruction and interference is come on ppl wake up and lets do something.:N1Idontgetit:
     
  9. Apr 10, 2008 at 9:45 AM #49
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    Ok here's one for you guys. First off the pair we had Tuesday night were horrible. Missed at least 4 calls in the field and the ump behind the plate didn't know a strike zone if it hit him in the face. If the batter moved at all it was a ball no matter where the pitch was. That way for both teams, but the one i really want to bring up was last night. The ump behind the plate made a point in the second inning to come to us and tell us that the pitcher has 20 seconds to throw they're next pitch after a play. As soon as the ball gets into the circle...20 sec. So i asked the next inning if a pitcher is in the circle and has 20 sec what if the batter isn't in the box, can she throw the pitch (knowing that this was wrong). He said the batter has 10 seconds to get in the box and be ready. So, if an out is recorded and the ball gets in the circle a batter has 10 sec. to get out of the on deck circle, get to the plate, take a sign from the coach, get in the box and prepare to hit. Not alot of time, i've seen coaches with 10 sec. worth of signs. And he continually reminded us of this throughout the game. Then later i went out to question an out of the box where a girl singled up the middle. Her back foot was 6" in front of the plate and she was about 5'7" or 8". Obvious to everyone she was the other coach even walked by and said "you're right she was way out of the box". I'm ok that we didn't get the call, what bothered me was how our conversation went.
    Me "Time", "Was she out of the front of the box when she touched the ball?".
    Ump "the batters box goes to 3' foot in front of the plate" and went to the front of the box exactly where it was, bent down and pointed.
    Me "yes, but..."
    Ump (yelling) "coach i won't talk about it anymore, that's it".

    Now at no time did i ever raise my voice or say anything out of the way. I had not complained about anything the entire game. Not only was he rude but he treated me like i was a complete idiot. I went back to the dugout and looked at one of the other coaches and said wow touchy guy. As has been stated before egos have no place in umping. I've done some rec ball games behind the plate and they're job is not easy by any means. Have all the respect in the world for umps, they have a thankless job. But geez, don't treat people like they're beneath you.
     
  10. Apr 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM #50
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