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A BASE HIT

From the same section of NCAA scoring as Fielders Choice....

BASE HIT
SECTION 4. A base hit is credited when a batter advances to first base safely:
a. Because of his fair hit (rather than because of a fielder’s error as in 10-16);
Exception—It is not a base hit if any runner is out on a force play caused by the batter advancing toward first base or would have been forced out except for a fielding error.
b. Because a runner is declared out for being hit by a batted ball as in 8-5-k or the umpire is hit by a batted ball as in 8-3-c;
c. When a fielder attempts to put out a preceding runner but is unsuccessful although there is no fielding error, and the official scorer believes the batter-runner would have reached first base with perfect fielding;
d. When a batter reaches first base safely on a fair ball hit with such force, or so slowly, that any fielder attempting to make a play has no opportunity to do so. A hit shall be scored even if the fielder deflects the ball from or cuts off another fielder who could have put out a runner;
e. When a fair ball that has not been touched by a fielder touches a runner or an umpire,
or
Exception—It is not a base hit when a runner is called out for having been touched by an infield fly.
f. When a batter reaches first base safely on a fair ball that takes an unnatural bounce so that a fielder cannot handle it with ordinary effort, or that touches the pitcher’s rubber or any base (including home plate) before being touched by a fielder and bounces so that a fielder cannot handle it with ordinary effort.
Note—In applying the above rules, always give the batter the benefit of the doubt. A safe course to follow is to score a hit when exceptionally good fielding fails to result in a putout.


As stated above in the "Note" the batter gets the benefit of doubt.


I know we can get into splitting hairs here..... but read Base Hit and FC .....

The pitcher made no attempt to throw to 1st base. Reasonable doubt for the batter would then come into play because there was no play at 1st base.
Remember that the start of this thread was runners on 2nd and 3rd with no force out in play. Open 1st base. In this case if pitcher makes play to 1st and runner scores the batter is credited w SAC. If pitcher throws ball to 1st for the put out and the runner on 3rd does not advance its scored as 1 to 3 and a out.

 

I guess we could argue about this all day and you probably had to be there to know for sure but...

I do not agree with a SAC here. Just putting the ball in play and a runner scoring while you get out does not constitute a SAC. The ball was not bunted and it doesn't sound like the batter intended to give herself up to score the run (was not a squeeze or fly ball to outfield). It was a regular hit ball to the pitcher so not a SAC.

If it was hit to the pitcher and the runner was barely half way when the pitcher got the ball (I don't know if that was the case), there can be no doubt that had she thrown to first, the batter would have easily been out. Therefore, FC.

 

sac

A SAC is recorded when a batter puts ball in play by bunt or swing to the right side of infield (pitcher, 2nd base or 1st basemen fields the ball) and is put out at open 1st base and a runner on 3rd base scores..... a SAC is also recorded by batter bunting ball in play to advance a runner.

You say...there can be no doubt that had she thrown to first, the batter would have easily been out. Therefore, FC.

But she did not throw it... Base Hit

We have seen a many time in softball or baseball, HS, College, MLB when a batter lays down bunt toward 3rd base and has runner on 3rd. 3rd basemen cannot make the play to 1st. Holds the ball. And score board puts up a HIT for batter. 3rd basemen chose not to throw the ball. Not a FC but a Hit....

I'm out of here..

 

Huh?

Where did you get that definition? From the NCAA official score keepers rules...

SACRIFICE
SECTION 8. A sacrifice bunt is credited to the batter when, with fewer than two outs, his bunt enables a runner to advance, provided no other runner is put out attempting to advance. A sacrifice fly is credited when, with fewer than two outs, his fly, fair or foul, enables a runner to score. In either case, the sacrifice ruling applies when the batter is put out before he reaches first base or would have been put out if the ball had been fielded without error.
Exception—If, in the judgment of the official scorer, the batter is bunting primarily for a base hit, do not score a sacrifice. Instead, charge the batter with a time at bat.

SACRIFICE
SECTION 8. A sacrifice is credited to the batter in the following situations:
a. When, with less than two outs, the batter advances one or more runners by bunting (including a slap, slug, slash and running slap) and is called out at first base or would have been out had no error occurred.
Note—The running slapper must clearly show the intent to advance a base runner(s). Always give the batter the benefit of the doubt.
b. When, with less than two outs, the defense (without error) fails to get the lead runner out on any type of bunt.
Note—If the lead runner is tagged out in an attempt to advance more than one base, it is scored a fielder’s choice.
If the batter is obviously bunting for a hit in a situation where a sacrifice is not normally used, credit the hitter with an at-bat.
c. When, with less than two outs, the lead runner advances but a trailing runner is out.
d. When, with less than two outs and runners at first and third base, the pitcher fields a bunt, holds the runner at third base, throws the runner out at first base and the runner at first advances safely to second base.

SACRIFICE NOT CREDITED
SECTION 9. No sacrifice is credited in the following situations:
a. When a lead runner advances on a bunt due to a dropped good throw.
b. When a batter inadvertently taps the ball into fair territory and it results in a runner advancing and the batter being retired. The intent to sacrifice bunt or slap must exist.
c. When modifications are not made to the running slapper’s swing or motion.
Notes:
1. Modifications could include, but are not limited to, the following: sacrifice motion, a controlled compact swing, a pause in the running slapper’s motion or a reduction of foot speed.
2. Scoring for the left-handed running slapper should be the same as for a traditional left- or right-handed batter. If the running slapper clearly shows the intent to advance a base runner, credit a sacrifice. If modifications are not made to the running slapper’s swing or motion, charge an at-bat, even if a base runner advances.

Nowhere in there does it say anything about normally hitting the ball to the pitcher or the right side of the infield...