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Discussion in 'Baseball' started by Buddyro, Mar 16, 2005.

  1. watcher

    watcher Full Access Member

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    Great question......

    How does a freshman get that good mentally????

    He probably has gotten a taste of a winning baseball tradition through advanced summer play in the previous years, if not on the previous school team.

    He's probably pitched in some national playoff summer games, he's probably faced down some experienced 18 yr olds at some showcase events and realized how easy it was to strike em out.

    Not to mention the work ethic in practice it takes to get to where he wants to be.

    It all clicks in the kid's minds who chase the dream of playin in tha bigs.

    Age isn't a factor in their mind, watch them play!! It's an amazingly beautiful thing to see a young gun perform extraordinarily on a regular basis against older more seasoned opponenets.
     
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    If talent is not "natural" then where do you think it comes from ???
    Running speed,hand eye coordination, and velocity are God-given. You do not "acquire" them from hard work. Talent enables you to throw 90. Hard work (Aquired skills) enable you to know where it is going.
     
  3. watcher

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    Nit picking on phrases there 007.........


    I think you see my point....

    Thanks again
     
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    The only time I see your point is when you use icons.
     
  5. watcher

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    Let me make it easier for you to see my point.

    If you couldn't increase your pitching velocity through practice,weight training, and strength training, building your core etc. a lot of Coaches would be outta work.

    Hand eye coordination can be improved through practice as well.Assorted drills
    have helped players for years.

    Talent "AND" practice give you the heat, God gives you some and he also gives you the desire to want to be a better pitcher through practice.

    Running speed???? You can always improve your running technique through work on the field.

    Can you aquire talent through practice?....Y-E-S




    Thanks again
     
  6. Braves

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    Unless your Varsity team is struggling with numbers of players or the team is very weak, I don't recommend bringing a freshman up to Varsity, unless it is towards the end of the season. No matter how good the player is and how successful he may be, if he takes an upperclassman's position, it will definately cause chemistry problems and usually the freshman is put into a very difficult position. It's just not worth the risk and you are possibly setting the freshman up for a very emotionally strained relationship with his new teammates. He will be facing jealousy from the upperclassmen and jealousy from his peers.

    I agree that there are a few situations where a coach must bring up a freshman, but in general, I would not do that.

    Sorry Buddyro for getting off track... I agree with "O"'s posts on the "When" question
     
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    Again I have to disagree. Velocity is genetic. Coaches will have plenty of work until people figure out that velocity gains are tied to natural childhood growth rather than some magic conditioning formula. A 15 year old will throw faster when he is 16 because he is a year older. Conditioning just improves your chances of staying healthy.

    Hand eye and running speed can be improved but ever so slightly. Velocity gains can be accerlerated by long tossing and stuff. But let's face it, you either have talent or you don't.
     
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    Ok, we're not getting anywhere with each other huh?

    Your opinion just gives every hard working kid coming up and looking to move on to the next level (college or Pro) hope, because as long as there are players with your opinion, the hard workers will keep excelling and passing the non workers up.

    I'm done with this specific topic.

    Thanx 007
     
  9. NCBBallFan

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    Watcher, I'll agree with you in a lot of respects.

    Max POTENTIAL velocity has a strong genetic element to it. Reaching that max is only done with extensive work, great technique, dedication and good coaching.
     
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    I have to agree with this. Not only does Max Potential velocity have a strong genetic element to it but so does Max Potential bat speed, quickness, and sprinting speed. However, I also strongly believe that each can be maximized by what NCBBallFan stated, extensive work, great technique, dedication and good coaching. When you get a kid maximizing his potential, he can easily become a better player, and appear to be more talented, than a physically talented player that relies on his inherited physical abilities and does little other than play and go to the organized practice. Now when you get that very physically talented player that also has the dedication to put in the work to maximize his potential, then you get that very special player.
     

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