Scorekeeping Question.....

Are You Sure...

Are you sure about that?

 

HEY TBR! I KNOW WHAT AN FC AND.....

.....a Sac is.....atleast I thought I did. This thread is not intended for you guys to explain the obvious. I wrote it to hear some of ya'll make sense out of HOW, not WHY this play was scored this way.

 

I searched the archives.....

...on tarheelblue.com, and I got the play by play for the game that I'm referring to hear, BUT, there is no mention of such a scoreing call in the books now. The original score ruling listed a year ago, must have been a mistake and was edited. Nevermind!

 

You might of dreamed it.............................

 

Entirely Possible with the Fishman!!....

......so I'll move this thread in this direction.....say a righthanded batter, not the leftie in this case, same count, 2 strikes on her, and she dribbles one to 3rd off her hands, the 1b runner moves to 2nd, and the RH batter is thrown out a 1st. Is this play to be scored a sac.? Well, the slapper leftie got the sac. in the books. Is a slapper "giving herself up" to move a runner the same as just laying down a bunt? AND, get me up to date on this TBR, if slapping is hitting, thean a two strike foul is not an out, but how can two strike slap be considered a sac?

 

Troublemaker LOL

You are making too many of our brain cells work here Marlin

Okay, in your scenario here, here is how my books would be recorded:

Right hand hitter: GO51; there is no sac. A sac bunt is the intentional laying down of the bunt to advance a runner while knowingly putting a ball into play that will normally not result in you successfully making it to base. In your example, the RH Batter "dribbles one to 3B off her hands". Bad hit, does not equal sac; bad hit does not equal bunt. Clear cut.

For the lefty slapper, it could go either way. Keep in mind, the lefty slapper does utilize the drag bunt, which offers the same opportunities for sac that a right handed batter has. So the call on how this play would be recorded would be based upon the call the coach gave the batter which you can generally come up with the right answer 99% of the time without knowing the signals if you just watch the approach of the lefty slapper. If the he called for a slap and she "hit away" resulting in the out, then this hit would go down as a GO51. If, however, he called for a sac bunt, the slapper is going to utilize the drag bunt, laying off on the power, in order to try to force the field to make a play on her at first to allow the runner on base to advance. In this scenario, the out would be recorded as a SacB, same as it would be for the right handed batter.

As far as the 2 strike slap being a foul vs. the 2 strike slap being a sac I think that some accomodations have been made for the lefty slapper taking into the count the added complexities of their methodology of batting.

 

Technically...

Technically a drag is not a sacrifice either, it is bunting for a base hit. The differences are that the batter is coming out of the box as contact is made on a push or drag, and with a sacrifice the hitter is actually giving themself up to make sure and get the bunt down to move the runner up. Yes they still run, but only after the bunt is down.

 

Sounds Good

But I would like to see that officially defined !!

Thanks, Guru

 

Sac is whats recorded in the books by......

....the UNC scorekeeper recording a TENN. players time at the plate. And I too would like to see the "definition" of a Sac. when it relates to a LH or RH, slapping, etc. I have a feeling that somewhere in the rulebook it mentions the "component" of an at bat that by moving a runner into scoring position a Sac. might be recorded. I don't know about that in particular, but, I do know that it now appears to me that a LF slapper does get an advantage in more ways than just being closer to 1st.