Stats Question

Okay - ran headlong into a possible humdinger while keeping books for the TB team this weekend.

One out. Players on 1B and 2B. DD hits a long, high one that looks like it may go out, but with the winds going against the ball could as easily be blown in or just drop dead.

Players on 1B and 2B go back, tag up, wait. DD hauls to 1B - and actually stands at 1B with 1B runner. Ball hits fence, drops fair. 2B player takes off, rounds 3, goes home. Player on 1B stalls, then takes off, only BARELY making it to 2B before ball is fielded and headed at 2B.

So, 2 questions:

1) If 1B runner had gotten out at 2B due to stall on 1B - is this a FC although DD is already standing on 1B?

2) If 1B runner had not stalled when ball hit the ground, she would have easily made it to 3B and DD to 2B. So is this a Single or a Double?

Wrap your heads around this one and tell me what you think?

 

JMHO

I do not keep the book for good reason. I simply don't know all of the rulings so this is just my opinion if I just happened to be keeping the book.

1) I would give her a hit. In my mind, a FC is when the fielder could have reasonably gotten the girl out at first but elected to go somewhere else. In that case, even if she didn't get the other out, it is still a FC. In your case, there was no chance of the girl getting out at first so even if she got the girl out at second, it is a hit.

2) Single. Cannot score on what 'should have happened'. Doesn't matter that the girl that was at first stalled or was not being aggressive. She stopped at second for whatever reason so the other girl had to stay at first.

 

1) FC with 1 rbi

2) single

 

There is no hit if any runner is forced out. Yes, the play would be scored an FC with the assist to the outfielder and the putout to the player receiving the throw at second.

As far as the second scenario, I am guessing you were saying that the runner at second scores and the runner at first goes to third. The baserunner actually has to go to second to get the double, but yes, it's a double to the fence if the hitter gets to second, the runner at first gets to third and the runner at second scores. If this is not the scenario you were describing, then sorry for the misinterpretation. Please clarify.

 

...whats your bid? single, do I hear single? fc, do I hear fc?...

.....Hey hoops, I love your "under the user name gig"!
1. A force out is a force out in my opinion. So FC goes in the books.
2. I'm still trying to digest this one JavCat, as HOOPSDIO says, and I agree, in order to be scored as a double, then the batter must reach 2nd on his/her own. i.e. if the ball is thrown into the infield to keep a runner off 2nd, then that runner/original batter obviously gets a single. If, however, the OF throws home to get the runner trying to score, the batter goes to 2B on the throw. Single, and, a runner advancing. Just like how you would score a 1b runner advancing to 2b on a wild pitch or pass ball. Remember this.....scoring isn't always about the offense. Take into consideration that the defense has stats too. fielding % are a good example.....I'll pick this one up later.

 

Single, 1 RBI

...BARELY makes it to 2nd...
Everyone safe? yep, base hit. Runner scores? RBI
Time for coach to have a long discussion with runners.
Long fly ball runner on 2 should stay put for possible tag up on fly ball.
Runner on 1 should be about half way between 1 & 2. Fly ball caught she can retreat to first, not caught she could reach 3rd.
My book: 8 fly, 1b, 1rbi, bre#??.

 

Agreed

100 %

 

Another situation....

Batter dribbles one down 1st base line. 1st basemen and pitcher converge only to say "no you get it...", batter is safe at first. After the game I was talking and said " WOW, you guys won and didn't get a base hit". Her dad overheard me and says "oh no, **** got a hit, they never made a play on the ball".
Sooo, what do ya'll think H or E?

 

I would say that would be a hit.

 

It is an error.

By definition, an error occurs when a fielder misplays a ball in any manner that allows a batter or base runner to advance.

Failure to play a ball is a misplay. No hit, E period.