you make the call

Make the call??

Depending on what level you are playing at, determines if this was a situation that has penalties. The last I remember about high school, if this was a high school game, is that there is NO penalty for an unreported substitution. There would be a warning and if it happens again, the coach would be restricted to the dugout. But no one would be called out or put back to where there were at the time of the pitch. At the college level, this is considered an "unreported substitution" and if caught by the offended team prior to the next pitch, then the batter would have been called out and all runners would be returned to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch and the player is declared to be in the game.

 

This just don't sound right to me. Reason: Bottom of last inning, game tied. Unreported sub hits homerun, game over. Please explain nc2aump?

 

Comet, as I said earlier, in National Federation rules, there is no actual penalty for an unreported substitution. The first offense, the offending coach is warned; second time, the coach is restricted to the dugout for the remainder of the game. As for any play that happens, ALL play stands, no one will be called out and all advancements by baserunners stands. But as I also said, at the collegiate level, it is entirely different. An unreported sub that was to hit a homerun, and the fact that they were unreported was brought to the plate umpire prior to the next pitch, then the offending player would be call out, and all runners would return to the base that was occupied at the time of the pitch. Once the next pitch is thrown, then all plays stand and the player is now in the game officially.

 

a walk off HR, and there is no other pitch...what is the statute of limitations on that???

 

Let's just say in High School Softball, there is NO penalty. In college, it can be questioned up until all defensive team members have left the playing field.

 

I wish I was that smart.....

....to be able to recite the rulebooks for Federation, ASA, PONY, NSA, USSSA, ISA, WSA,........wow! On the surface of what went on, I probably would have waited for the unannounced sub to finish the at bat, and then get a ruling in my favor. Looks like I'd be wrong again!!! HMMMM, lets see, my hair has gone from my head to my back, I can't see a damn thing, Hangovers last 3 days, and I don't know the rules anymore. WHEW!!!! turning 30 sucks!!!! the fishman. uhhh, I mean 40. uhhhh, I mean...never mind.

 

Depends on where you play....

We faced this exact situation this weekend. While keeping score I noticed the 4th batter was hitting out of order. Pouring rain, wild pitches everywhere. The two walked and on base stole around on the wild pitches to home. Waited til girl finished her at bat (a walk), called over blue. He called the out on the illegal batter (for the third out). Was going to let the two runs stand until I pointed out it was basically fruit form the poisonous tree - runs would not have occurred except for the illegal at bat. The opposing coaches agreed with me, and the runs were null and void.

Parents on the other team fussed the remainder of the game (note this was the 1st inning) - despite the fact we shut the team out by far more than those 2 runs.

 

NFHS Rule Book:

Rule 7-2

a. A batter shall be called out on appeal when she fails to bat in her proper turn and another batter completes a time at bat in her place.

b. When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out and the defensive team appeals to the umpire before the next pitch, the umpire shall declare the proper batter out and return all runners to the base occupied at the time of the pitch.
Exception: Any outs made on the play stand. An out for batting out of order supersedes an out by the improper batter on the play.
Note: If a runner advances because of a stolen base, wild pitch, passed ball, or an illegal pitch while the improper batter is at bat, such advance is legal.

c. If an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out and a legal or illegal pitch has been delivered to the succeeding batter before an appeal is made, the improper batter becomes the proper batter and the results of her time at bat become legal.

d. When the proper batter is called out because she has failed to bat in turn, the next batter shall be the batter whose name follows that of the proper batter who is called out.

e. When an improper batter becomes a proper batter because no appeal is made, the next batter shall be the batter whose name follows that of such legalized improper batter. The instant the improper batter's actions are legalized, the batting order picks up with the name following that of the legalized improper batter.


Note: If the improper batter's infraction is discovered prior to the completion of the at bat, she will be replaced by the proper batter who will assume the improper batter's ball and strike count, provided the discovery is made before the improper batter is put out or becomes a base runner.